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by Tanzeel
Lahore: MQM chief Altaf Hussain has said the Partition of India in 1947 weakened Muslims, as it divided their power. In an interview with Najam Sethi on Duniya News, Altaf said there would have been no Partition had the Congress accepted Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s 14 points. Altaf said few people knew that even Allama Iqbal had not demanded a separate Pakistan in his famous Allahabad address in 1930. “He had, in fact, demanded the creation of Muslim states in the Muslim-majority areas,” he said, adding that Iqbal’s son justice (retired) Javed Iqbal could confirm this. [Duniya News]
If we view partition from the perspective of Muslim unity it was indeed one of the biggest blunders in the history of mankind since it divided Muslims however it benefited tiny percentage of Muslims who were already settled in the land of pure, who never had to migrate at all. For rests it’s no better than India where everybody has to struggle hard for his basic rights.
Was partition blunder or not it is still a debatable topic but I would like to explain MQM leader Altaf Hussain’s comment’ who in his recent interview justified his disputed statement in which he called partition of the subcontinent a blunder. Lots of hue and cry being heard mainly from our not so conversant population of Pakistan, anti MQM factors across the country are also spicing up the issue and trying to capitalize their politics.
In my opinion no one can give expert opinion on Partition than the ones who have witnessed pre-partition situation and experienced the bloodshed during migration however I would like to clarify under which circumstances MQM leader has called partition a blunder.
In Today’s Pakistan Muslims are fighting and killing each other on the basis of tribal and linguistic affinity, sectarian strife is worse than ever before. Mosques and Madarssas are flourishing businesses. The advocates of Jihad are killing followers of the faith as they leave places of worship, we are the only country who can always legally kill other Muslim who has different beliefs than our version of Islam. A truism reiterated in the creation of Bangladesh in 1971. For further evidences let’s look at the plight of 300,000 Stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh for four decades in their passage to the chosen land — Unwanted by both Bangladesh and Pakistan, led by an unknown destiny. Who suffered? MUSLIMS
So where Muslim of sub-continent stands today — What Pakistani Muslims have achieved? Pakistani Muslim is competing with Indian or Bangladeshi Muslim in poverty, illiteracy, and religious hatred. In fact Pakistan is step a head in terms of sectarian enmity. Moreover, the rights of the people who migrated to Pakistan from Muslim Minority Provinces of the Subcontinent were usurped and they had to face highhandedness and injustices in Pakistan. Even today they are directly or indirectly branded as “Indians” when they raise voices for their rights. Talk about the Muslims of Balochistan, they are spending miserable life since the very creation of Pakistan but no Govt paid heed on their basic problems. Again “MUSLIMS”
In the light of above facts if some leader merely “criticizes” partition and comment on disintegration of Muslims he’s called traitor and advised by our so called patriots that Altaf Hussain should immediately leave Pakistan. Interestingly these advices come from the ones who and their forefather never experienced migration. Their idiotic reason for being patriotic is since their ancestors living in Pakistan since ages that’s why they are “Pure Pakistanis”
Right after questioning partition on the basis of provided facts Altaf Hussain said: “since it happened we now need to live peacefully with each other” but no one noticed that part.
IMO A leader must not misguide his people for whatsoever reason. Altaf’s statement in anyway doesn’t go against interest of Pakistan and Pakistanis, rather it’s a matter of concern for the “establishment” to realize their mistake and give due rights to rest of the Pakistanis so that they don’t have to question creation of Pakistan again.
The spirit and essence of Altaf Hussain statement is that we must accept the ground reality without blinkers.
In the end I would suggest those Pakistanis who are calling Altaf Hussain traitor or Indian to use their common sense, stop being patriotic to an abnormal extent and try to digest the fact that partition of subcontinent is a debatable issue. Pakistan is our very own country hence its our right to criticize or praise it. No one has the right to curb our freedom of speech.
“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” — Winston Churchill
Rightly said. The later part of the interview hasn’t been noticed as usal. I read Javaid Iqbal’s statement which didn’t say any thing about two nation theory - where does it stand now after the fall of Dacca. Hence, It is been taken as to break Pakistan if one talks about Sirakistan or more provinces of Pubjab.
True, I wanted to discuss Jawed Iqbal here as well but he doesn’t worth responding — his recent statements are political in nature and nothing to do with two nation theory on which Altaf Hussain has commented. neither Jawed Iqbal is custodian of Allama Iqbal, he was only 11 when Allama Iqbal died.
The grounds on which Pakistan was demanded was certainly very Utopian…
I don’t understand why cry Muslim Muslim… can a state where even 99% are Muslims guarantee the fact that it will be Perfect??? Or its just next to the myth that Unicorn does exists… ???
Look at USA people of all ethnicity resides there, isn’t it the most powerful and prosperous nation state???
When every time people try to narrow down their basis of success depending upon feeble grounds like religion, caste, language, etc. these are social elements not political and nor politics should depend on it.
What happened in 1947 was some thing unavoidable keeping in mind the series of events, its true when this man says that it was a mistake because it actually served the interest of few people momentarily, it might sound indigestible to the people who were born in Pakistan after the partition, for whom Pakistan is Pakistan not a piece of land carved out of India.
But high time to bury the hatchet…and understand that fact that we have to struggle in this world for everything…religious majority is not just the only source which provides a nation with prosperity…
Get Well Soon…
Well written article Tanzeel
kudos..!!!!
Mr. Tanzeel, I would like to congratulate you for initiating this timely needed and important dialogue.
Some old wounds of migration have been opened again. My family migrated from Dehli to Karachi in 1947. We still have half of our relatives living in Dehli, Bareli and Jaipur. One of my mother’s relative, Mufti Mukarram is the Imam of Jaama’a Masjid Fatehpuri in Dehli. Being Mahajir [immigrant], we are still starnger in Pakistan. Relatively, we have to sturggle harder than other Pakistanis. We are still known as Indians. My heart longs for seeing my relatives India and visiting holy shrines of Khwajah Moin-ud-din Chishti [Rehmat-Allah Aleh] and Hazrat Nizam-ud-Din Auwlya’a [Rehmat-Allah Aleh]. The soul of my maternal grand father still lives in Dehli. His eyes show as if he has been lost somewhere in Karachi after migrating from Dehli. His soul longs for Dehli. He tells the stories of his youth in India. I can still see glow of youth on his face, when he becomes ecstatic during telling the stories of India.
Partition of India was the biggest blunder. It is like a heart divided. And in case if, Pakistan had to come into existence, the Indian Muslims should not have migrated from India to Pakistan. Migration was the biggest blunder. Current Pakistan is not the Pakistan we were dreaming about.
I agree with you Ms. Soumya that demand for Pakistan was certainly very utopian. Pakistan is established on the land of India. We should understand the pain of native Indians, who gave up their land to Pakistan. Souls of Indians are really wounded.
Mr. Hakeem Muhammad Saeed was Dehli-iet [Dehli Walay]. He established institution of “Hamdard”. He was assassinated in Pakistan, a country where 99% Muslims live. But his brother, who did not migrate from Dehli, enjoyed a peaceful passing away through natural causes, in a country, where Muslims are in monority. One brother was assassinated in a Muslim country. One brother enjoyed a peaceful life in non-Muslim Country.
The partition wasnt a blunder. The destruction of our education system by our politicians is a blunder. Politics in our education system is a blunder.
@ SYED SHAHID ALI
man read this article.
Muslims adopt Hindu IDs: http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/246411
Then watch this video on youtube.
Muslim Student is being beaten by Non Muslim student
Then read this: Gujarat’s new anti-conversion law irks Muslims
Then enjoy this: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go2310/is_200404/ai_n6519557
—A street beggar in Pakistan is nutritionally healthier than an average middle class Indian.
—-@ Hakim Saeed murder: What about Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, and Sanjay Gandhi and all those gandhis? They were assassinated too right??? They were living in India right? or in Pakistan :( ????
@syed Ahmed
see yaar
here the problem of Pakistan is being discussed,and about India dude you are pointing out exception, I know such problems exist but then they are sort of unavoidable as too many people of different ethnicity I dont say its acceptable but yes, I would say these are exceptions.
and about Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi, they were assassinated for different reasons not because of issues such as mojahirs, Sikhs were angry with her because she took a strict action and LTTE killed him not our country men….
why don’t you put forward examples like our Muslim Presidents, Awardees, an average Muslim middle class who is doing so well, and about beggar of Indian and pakistan that is a very very general statement dear, look at the size of India and Paksitan…
and if you see the diversity of Islam and muslims in India you will be amazed,… you will see Muslims of varied ethnicity living together enjoying the same rights, where there is no sort of hijacking of the religion by any group or showing their monopoly …
so just don’t rely on those articles… which you have provided…
why does it look like that the foundation of Pakistan is based on the dream of Allama Iqbal (RA) and a dream which is very debatable and its authenticy can be doubted.
I am a big fan of Dr. Allama Iqbal and after listening to the interview of Mr Altaf Hussain i am convinced that partition had weaken the power of Muslims in South Asia . i have strongly dis agreed to Mr Altaf Hussain that partition was blunder it was because that i never came to know about the whole story that why does he called partition a blunder now i know that why he said so and i strongly agreed to this.
coming back to Dr Allama Iqbal (RA) he is an Islamic legendary scholar and he can not see and announce the dream which have weaken the Islamic force in sub continent.
@ Mr. Syed Ahmed: You should know that Hindus have never been expansionist in terms of geography. While Muslims have always been expansionist in terms of geography. Hindus are modest in behaviour.
@ Ms. Soumya Saxena: Thank you for depicting the examples regarding diversity of Islam and Muslims, like Muslim Presidents, Awardees, an average Muslim middle class in India.
and if you see the diversity of Islam and muslims in India you will be amazed,… you will see Muslims of varied ethnicity living together enjoying the same rights, where there is no sort of hijacking of the religion by any group or showing their monopoly …
so just don’t rely on those articles… which you have provided…
^^^^Probably that is going on right now, but not in the past, not before 1947.
I swear to ALLAH/GOD I swear to ALLAH/GOD i swear to ALLAH/GOD: my father(SYED TANVEER AHMED was born in AJMER SHAHRIF) told me that there was some university or some college( not in ajmer but somewhere else in INDIA can’t remember the name), my maternal grandfather(SYED BARI) went there, he faced discrimination because there were only two Muslim students among thousands of Hindus, in that big university or college or something. He couldn’t concentrate on his studies due to that discrimination. These are the reasons Indian muslims migrated to PAKISTAN. I SWEAR To ALLAH This is a story i heard from my FATHER (SYED TANVEER AHMED)
THUS, the cause of partition is not a blunder.
IMO, Sab say bara blunder Pakistan ke history main tab hoa jab ye MQM nami jamat manzar-e-aam per aye or is ka leader bana Bhai Altaf Hussain.
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Ya to Altaf Bhai apnay aap ko Leader he nahi samjhthay ya wo apnay aap ko leader say bhe kahin oper samjhtay hain. Kaha jata hay London main Pakistanion say zyda Indians abad hain, ho sakta hay environment ka aser parra ho Altaf Bhai per jo wo apni matti ke khusbho bhol gaye hain or ghadaron wali batain kartay nazar atay hain.
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Altaf Bhai ke itni oqat to nahi kay un per main apni post zya karoon per hayrat to aysay Andahy (mafi kay sath) suporters per hoti hay jo pahlay MQMer hotay hain or baad main Pakistani. Afsos kay Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah or Allama Mohammad Iqbal in kay ideal nahi rahy, or aab hamari itni oqat ho gaye hay kay un ke batoon ko debatable keh ker behas shru karin gey, or ye sirf is laye kay aik Altaf nami politician kay moun say jo nikal gaya hay us ko kisi bhe tarah Sach or Haq sabit kerna hay bas. Again, barray afsos ke baat hay!
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Jazbati to main ho raha hoon, is lye nahi kay Altaf Bhai nay phir say kuch irshad farmaya hay, bulkay is wajah say kay qoum kay nojawan *youth* apni taqat aik aysay politician ke batoon ko sahi proof karnay main laga rahay hain jis ko Mulk or Party say zyda apni khud ke Jaan zyda aziz hay!
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LOL… or baqi raha Pakistan banna blunder tha ya nahi, ya is say Musalman *weak* ho gaye hain, is bakwas per MQM ke wo demand jis main wo Karachi ko alag soba bannany or provincial autonomy kay jo logics paysh kartay hain, unko dobara study ker lain, answer mil jaye ga :P
@ Mr. Syed Ahmed: You should know that Hindus have never been expansionist in terms of geography. While Muslims have always been expansionist in terms of geography. Hindus are modest in behaviour.
^^^^Muslims were discriminated by Hindus in all fields, that’s why Muslims became expansionist. Simple as that! This is called assertiveness.
Qausain with due respectm Quaid e Azam was not GOD
Should I give you examples of what we do with other Muslim sects? let alone non muslims..
“Muslims were discriminated by Hindus in all fields, that’s why Muslims became expansionist. Simple as that! This is called assertiveness.”
very general statement…
not even worthy of being debated on
Thanks Tanzeel, Yahi to main kehna cha raha tha, kay leaders hain khuda nahi!
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PS: Bulkay IMO; kuch politicians to leadership kay bhe kabil nahi :)
To quaid e azam ko leader hi rehnay do khuda na banao, he did a good thing fair enough but he can always be criticized. Tension lenay ki zarurat nahi hai zada!
//Tension lenay ki zarurat nahi hai zada!//
LOL … Theek hay :P
:)
Altaf Hussain is right.
If we just count the number of Muslims in Pakistan Bangladesh and India, they are like about 70 - 75 Carore Muslims in Indian Sub Continent and if they were united they would be a big force in Todays United India.
The biggest issue is with Punjab as they are looting ruining Pakistan from the Last 62 years, SO in the name of Pakistan and Islam they are black mailing people of smaller provinces and anyone if ask for rights becomes Indian Agent.
Only Punjab benefited from this Pakistan, rest of provinces are suffering even the people of Southern Punjab as well as they speaks Saraiki.
out of huge budget of 389 Billion 40% has been allocated for LAHORE only while only 2.5% has been allocated for the Whole Southern Punjab, else Punjab only contributed 40% for its own budget, rest it takes from federation robbing the money of smaller provinces, where as Karachi which contributes 68% in Federal pool only gets 2 % .
If Pakistan was made for the Muslims of India then why borders of Pakistan was closed in 1954 ?
And why the Punjab Army killed 2 million MUSLIM Bangalis in East Pakistan and Raped 700,000 Bangali MUSLIM Women.
Only CENTRAL PUNJAB is benefited from Pakistan as it is looting and robbing the rights of smaller provinces.
very general statement…
not even worthy of being debated on
@ sax- “Muslims were discriminated by Hindus in all fields, that’s why Muslims became expansionist. Simple as that! This is called assertiveness.”
is this a general statement or you don’t have any thing to disprove my statement.
My point is very valid: Muslims in India were discriminated, that’s why the partition of India took place.
Should I give you examples of what we do with other Muslim sects? let alone non muslims..
I just wanna say Indians don’t take showers with milk. lol. It happens on both side of border. Thus, there is no point of going back to India.
Were it Muslims, who invaded the land of India or someone else? Was invading India and taking the land of Hindus assertiveness?
@ Mr. Khaled Faroqi: You have raised valid points.
Mr. Tanzeel, very well written!
I wonder what has Mr Altaf hussein has to do with Islam and muslims. He ignored the fact if there was no Pakistan than there would have been no MQM too.
tell me who discriminated the Muslims??
who did ??
and how
then i will answer you my friend
Is he non-muslim ?
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He ignored the fact if there was no Pakistan than there would have been no MQM too.
What about others ? they exists ?
Its a simple criticism. Why don’t you understand that he is not against Pakistan or even Partition, he has just commented on partition’s consequences.
What Altaf hussain said is not new, Many many people said the same thing, issue was only made against Altaf Hussain in Bugz e Mavia nothing else.
rubbish post. PAKISTAN WAS MADE RIGHT POLITICIANS MADE IT WRONG. YOU CANT WRAP YOUR FAILURE TO OTHERS SUCCESS.
Altaf hussain cant be in the circumstances in which the Pakistan were made.Pakistan was the dream of “”Alama Iqbal”" if you read his poems his thoughts is very much clear with it.
“Fannos bun k jis ki hifazat hawa karey wo shamma kia bujhey jisey roshan khuda karey”
“ALAMA IQBAL “KHUTBA ALABAD” 1930
I would like to see the Punjab, the north west Frontier province, sindh and balochistan, amalgamated into a single state. self government within the british empire or without the british empire the formation of the consolidated north west indian muslim state appeared to me to be the final destiny of the muslims at least of north west india.
failure to run country doesnt mean that partition was wrong.
Without going through the history you have made a very bad post.
Wait for my next article
“PAKISTAN IS THE DREAM OF ALAMA IQBAL”
“failure to run country doesnt mean that partition was wrong. ”
You want to say that Jinnah was not proactive enough to foresee what would happen in Pakistan ?
LOL
Muslims of India struggle for the state and get nothing, Sir Syed Ahmed Khan gave the theory of 2 Nation way before Allam aIqbal.
As we can’t find any punjabi in pakistan struggle, the Punjabies made Allama Iqbal a person who think about Pakistan, even he died in 1937 and in 1940 Lahore resolution, concept of 2 Muslim nations was presented by Molvi A.K Fazl e Haq.
The resolution don’t even have the name Pakistan in it.
Khutba e Allahbad is an example of what Allama Iqbal wants, he took medals from Britishs who Hanged many muslims who were fighting the British raj and ready to for a muslim state under BRITISH EMPIRE.
The Muslims of Indian Sub Continent were divided into 3 and time will tell how many more division will occur in future .
Arsh Bhai
now the time has gone, and no one is willing to become fool in the name of Allama Iqbal and/or Islam, 62 years is enough for the people like you who are making Dollers/ Pounds by promoting the agenda of USA or UK
jis thali ka khana os ko he bura kehna.
This nation loves to deceive itself, and Lies to itself.
….Allama Iqbal’s was a LOLLYPOP that was given to the people of Majority Muslim Areas , ie Punjab….because the support From the Majority areas was needed.
even two natioan theory evolved after and Shamefull defeat of the Muslim Leaque from the Muslim majority areas.
Yes it did gained some ground vis-a-vis Congress but that was confined to the Muslim Minority Areas in the 36 Provicial election, and it badly needed support from Majority areas…..
for example , it got only 1 Seat out of 84 from Punjab, a Majority Muslim area ..in the 35 election
so this eloborate , Deception was created.
Read Choudhery Rehmat Ali’s ” Now and Never ”
and then ” the Great Deception “
The Creation of Pakistan, WAS NOT AT ALL, need for the people of Punjab, Balochistan and NWFP……………. this thing and the most important is always forgotten / missed whenever the Partition is discussed… Pakistan was need of the people of Sind, Bengal and the Muslim minority province….. NWFP was never part of Indian Union or Under the British Raj, as this was historical part of the Kabul and Kabul still claims these area, There was an agreement which give birth to the famous Durand Line and which was just for 100 years and these 100 years are over and now officially Kabul has asked Islamabad to return these areas to Kabul ………….. Punjab and Punjabi Muslims never had problem at all…………. They were in clear majority and have a very good presence in military….Punjab used to suppply the food for whole Indian union……….Baluchistan was more or less wanted to remain alone or to join Iran but still the Bloch were very much settled and had no life threat to their existence… Now coming to Sindh….. sindh was under the Bombay Presidency which caused the muslims in the province to be in the minority plus the Bombay and Karachi (being the port cities ) were rivals in terms of resources… as the Bombay presidency was ruled majorly by Hindus so the Muslims in Sindh had a threat to their interests……… Now Bengal had a very vast Muslim majority but the state affair and business was held by the Hindus who used to molest Muslims, so Muslims in this area also want and end to this… and The Muslim minority province is clear
Therefore the creation of Pakistan only benefited the Sindh, the Bengal, some of the migrants from Muslims minority province and mostly to those fleeing dual nationality holders immigrants (i am not using the word “migrants”) who crept into Pakistan after 1951… who making sure that their property and assets are in well hand in some of their relative in India and to enjoy the double treat they came to Pakistan……….. This is very evident that these dual nationality holder / immigrants still have their relatives in India……….. and these people are prod to call themselves Culcata walay, Madras Walay, Delhi Walay, Ajmair Walay.. etc infact they are “still proud indians” even after spending decades here in Pakistan………..
Therefore the stance that “it benefited tiny percentage of Muslims who were already settled in the land of pure, who never had to migrate at all.” is simply false and out of context, infact Pakistan has caused Punjab to lose half of its land with around one million dead bodies, NWFP lost its connection to Afghanistan and Balochistan lost it freedom…………….. Pakistan only benefited Sindh, Bengal, the migrant from india and mostly the “FLEEING IMMIGRANTS AFTER 1951″
Exampling the today’s Pakistan scenario in relation to Partition is nothing but a logical fallacy as saying that since a knife can cut the throat therefore there should be no knife in the world…………
The people who are “BLESSED” with myopia see Pakistan’s current situation a purely local, where as it is not really local….. We had the Pakistan… We had the same NWFP, we had the Same people ……. before 2001………….. and even before 2004………. Let us recall compare and contrast the Operation Rah-e-Haq with 1992……
What is the difference????? if in 1992 innocent were killed… how many culprits are being killed since 2004???? like 1992 the top leadership was set free and was not targeted.. in the same way top leadership is not targeted…. what do you except from a kid whose dad was killed just for no reason????? be it 1992 or 2009…. When the state her self is doing the atrocities….. how will people respond???? obviously…….. in whatever way they want…..
The killing another Muslims / non muslims is not “AT ALL LEGAL”
Jihad is not advocated by any one person, Shia or Sunni………….. It is advocated by Qur’an / Bible / Old Testament i mean just read any of the religious books……… you need not to go to any Mulla/Pop/Rabi for this..
I dunnu….. if the writer is somewhat ignorant of the factual status..
The muslim of Subcontinent hold the Atomic Power
The Muslims of Pakistan hold the world’s seventh largest coal reserves.
The Muslims of Pakistan are the fourth largest grower of chick pea
The Muslims of Pakistan hold the Fifth Largest Gold and Cooper Reserves
the Muslim of Subcontinent earned noble prizes.
The Muslim of Pakistan are members of House of Lords
and the list is never ending. the writer is nothing more then a toad in a pool.
Now coming to the migrants………… First and the fore most thing is that YOU NEED TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN “MIGRANTS” and “FLEEING IMMIGRANTS WHO CREPT INTO PAKISTAN”……. even if we ignore this ….
Three of the COAS Pakistan had Were Migrants….
Pakistan had it’s bestest ever Cheif Justices from the migrants
Pakistan had it’s bestest ever TV actors as migrants Shakeel, Anwar Mqasood, Latif Kapria, i mean the list is never ending….
Pakistan had best of her cricketers from Migrants…….. Javed Miandad, Saeed Anwar, Rashid Latif….
Now if those who migrated from India were deprived of their rights how these migrants rose to the Levels of COAS, or CJ????? So this is nothing but a simple bullshit utter by Rundian Backed Politicians
The question i pose to all the readers is that, If we Accept the stance that Migrants were not given their rights.. how the following people made to the heights??
Liaquat Ali Khan (First Prime Minister of Pakistan
General Akhtar Abdur Rahman
General Pervez Musharraf
General Rahiduddin Khan
Moinuddin ahmed Qureshi (Former Care TakerPrime Minister of Pakistan
Altaf Hussain Quaid-e-Tahreek of Mohajir and later Muthida Qaumi Movement
Niamtullah Khan First City Nazim (Lord Mayor) Karachi
Muhammed Faisal (International Mediator and Diplomat (O.I.C)
Shaukat Aziz (Prime Minister and Finance Minister of Pakistan)
Professor N.D. Khan (Pakistan Peoples Party)
Professor Taj Haider (Pakistan Peoples Party)
Professor abdul Ghafoor Ahmed (Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan)
Mirza Aslam Baig (Ex. Chief of Army Staff.)
Dr.Ghulam Mujtaba Former Provincial Advisor & coalition partner to Sindh Government (1992-94)
Agha Shahi
Sahabzada Yaqub Khan
Shahryar Khan (Ex. Foreign Secretary & Ex. Chairman Cricket Board In Pakistan)
Minhaj Burna
Sibt-e-Hasan
Rais Amrohvi
Nasarullah Khan
Kamran Khan
Asma Shirazi
Maheen Rashdi
Qurat ul ain Siddiqui
Urooj Zia
Mujahid Barelvi
Azhar Abbas
Dr. A. Q. Khan
Dr. Ata-ur-Rehman
Dr. Ahmed Mohiuddin
Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy
Dr. Raziuddin Siddiqui
Dr. Salimuzzaman Siddiqui
ghazi salahuddin
quraishpur
Abul Khair Kashfi
Abul Lais Siddiqui
Aslam Farrukhi
Farman Fatehpuri
Ghulam Mustafa Khan
Jameel Jalibi
Khalida Ghous
M A Vakil
Moonis Ahmar
Naseem Amrohvi
Syed Sikander Mehdi
And the list is on and on…………
So another Bullshit base less propaganda bye the Rundian Backed Politicians
The above stated facts have nothing to do with the reality in Pakistan…… the so called stated fact are filled with hypocrisy,logical fallacies and word twisters…… And hence are only acceptable to the people who are on the pay roll of the Rundians….
Now to the criticism on Partition.I am of those people who do criticize the Partition, not in its’ ESSENCE, but its Method…. So we need to know the intentions of the person who is criticizing Partition and his/her motives .. Yes Thats true who never experienced migration can never feel the hardship.. so the IMMIGRANTS who fled into Pakistan after 1951 are not aware of the hardship[ which the MIGRANTS faced… These post 51 immigrants hold their dear relative safe and sound in Runida and their properties are also safe their, But those MIGRANTS who left every thing just for Pakistan.The Patriots want AH not to pour vinegar on the wounds of those who migrated from India…
It is not the question whether is thinks Partition was blunder or not…….. but the thing is what he has to say to resolve or correct that blunder….. He has nothing more then asking the Rundians to invade Pakistan to save him..
Every Patriotic Pakistan wants every Anti Pakistani and Pro- Rundian to leave Pakistan…
IF the partition was blunder WTF these people are doing in Pakistan?? Why do not they just quite and settle in Rundia just Like Adnan Sami Khan????
Why they are stick to Pakistan??? If Pakistan is not giving them right.. They have relative in Rundia so and live with them….
Well if he accept its then why he always negates it?? Why he Sings Hay saray Jehan say Acha Hindustan HAmara ( now do not come up with the lame excuse that Iqbal said so he repeated… you must know the time as well when he wrote these verses)
Yes A leader must not mis guide his people……… AH must have told the people that The muslims are divided because Rundians and the Boundary Commission did not Handed over Eastern Punjab, Western Bengal, Assaam and Kashmir to Pakistan… Had it been the case, the muslims would have been in Pakistan in more strong position… Why he did not tell the people that Jinnah accepted the partition saying I am accepting this torn Pakistan in order to Complete Pakistan ………. Which clearly means Partition is still not complete… and we must work to complete the Partition…..
Now which is the right you do not have in Pakistan???? Freely speaking? You are free to abuse Pakistan whenever you like to, You are free to Call Rundians for the help whenever you like to.. You are free to ask people to sell their TV VCRS and buy AK47.. You are free to Burn Pakistani Flag… yet you are free to be Governor of Province having murder cases against you.. what Kinda of Rights you want???
Questioning the Establishment of Pakistan is more to do with those are Pro- Rundians instead of Establishment
“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” — Winston Churchill
It’s better first to act on what you say…………….
LOL
I find one of my POST missing….!!
ok I will repeat
I have touched the subject , with a different prespective in this very forum
http://pakistandesk.com/?p=1147
…and have eloborated on it , in my personal orkut community.
any one interested , I will gladly post the link of my communnity and on request , try to translate and post that here.
Mr./Ms. Tune-Setter, your style seems like propagandist Ahmed Qureshi; whose firm is paid to create propaganda and immaculate deception.
Mr./Ms. Tune-Setter, your address seems like http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/
@ Syed Shahid
So ……????? any thing you have to say concrete about my views or just hay say????
I agree with the notion that partition was a blunder as far as the ‘two-nation theory’ is concerned; I see no reason why Muslims and Hindus cannot live together. The situation at that time was hyped up and engineered such to create caveats between the two religious groups.
Having said all that, Pakistan is still my motherland and even if the premise behind its creation was a flawed and manipulated one,
I sure as heck would never stand on Indian soil and decry partition, in the middle of Lok Sabha; that was absolutely PATHETIC to see, but in the larger scheme of things, NOT unexpected from Altaf Husain.
Tanzeel, yahan bhi yeh shuru? anyways knowing tanzeel for a long time, all i have got to say is this :P
‘IMO, Sab say bara blunder Pakistan ke history main tab hoa jab ye MQM nami jamat manzar-e-aam per aye or is ka leader bana Bhai Altaf Hussain.’ [2]
Anyways, what happened in 1947, it happened. Its time to move on instead of living in the past, sorry Altafo but we havent invented a time machine yet to go back and change what happened.
What MAJORITY of the Pakistanis need to realize is that Pakistan needs us, Not these bullshit political parties. We are going through a crucial stage of our life, where our reserves are dangerously low, and we are in the danger of loosing our NWFP province. But all we got to do is to fight on an issue which happened almost 60 years ago? Pakistan is a reality, take it or leave it, but YOU guys are a part of it, no one cares if there are muslims in india or not, but the fact is for Pakistan WE as Pakistanis need to work for it.
And I also hope that people stop listening to this British National retard, we had enough of this, and anyways like Kazim, this is NOT Unexpected from Altaf Hussain and oh yeah like our brother tanzeel here said ‘he is a Politician not a good’ so he can be criticzed ;)
two typos..
‘…like Kazim said’
‘…He is a Politician not a god’
Tanzeel > ‘You want to say that Jinnah was not proactive enough to foresee what would happen in Pakistan ?’
I am pretty sure Jinnah wasnt a sear or had sixth sense. He was a visionary, and a leader. He gave us the country to run, and we shouldnt be blaming OUR failure on HIM.
The theory of partition may seem vague when you see it from the simple point of view of Hindu-Muslim divide. This is NOT a theory, it is a lesson Muslims derived from HISTORY.
You should have to be a thorough student of history that why, once the greatest ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity, would struggle for a seperate Muslim homeland. The events happening in post 1920 era and especially those after the 1935 election win by Congress actually served as critical points. Allama Iqbal, who presented the historic 1931 ALLAHABAD address and didnt mention a seperate country in that, and who himself was the biggest advocate of Muslim Ummah, got convinced later on that a seperate nation state for Muslims of India is inevitable.
And the need for a seperate nation state is to build where the Islamic Civilization can be nurtured. And we are proud that we have kept Islamic values alive in us. Where Islamic laws could be followed, society ethics should be those of Islamic societies etc.
And the history proved that our forefathers were right. Look at what is happening with minorities in the Secular India. Golden Temple Massacres, Babri Masjid’s shahadat, Gujrat Massacre, Burning alive of Christians, every now and then the minorities are being subjected to some sort of physical torture and are even deprived of the basic living right.
Moving ahead from that, is Islamic Civilization being preserved and nurtured in India. Cross-marriages between Hindus and Muslims are becoming so common which is totally forbidden in Islam and is counted amongst sins of highest order. I was particularly disappointed when Irfan Pathan, son of an Imam, declared marrying a Hindu girl. If the religious families are not going to care for the religion, who else will?
There are two nations in North South Asia; Indus valley and Ganges valley and the people are unique in each. That is the foundation of nationalism. These people have been at each others face for thousands of years. I care not what people of Ganga want. Nobody is going to buy MQM Mafia’s BS any more. Love it or leave.
Okay, all those who criticize Altaf Bhai are those who never experience the migration so here we are.
He should leave Pakistan for better. Never ever think or say it again that he speaks on behalf of Muhajir (those who migrated from Hindustan to Pakistan). Many Muhajireen are in fact now fed up with how MQM has turned into a Ghunda (Thug) organization, and please do not argue with me, I am a Muhajir okay, I have family members in religious and secular parties, so I get to know what is going on in each parties.
Muhajir are being ill treated by this Pubjabi Domination, yes. Balochis are not getting their fair share either. Pakhtoon are not having a progressive province also. Punjab is getting all the money. Sindh, which has almost always been under MQM government, should atleast have given or continued the Muhajir Culture, which was the extreme estate of Knowledge, poetry and art. Muhajireen from Delhi and Lucknow were the most learned ones. Oh no today Muhajirs (MQM and Haqiq ones) don’t even know the poetry and knowledge, they do know how to hang out at night like a gang, take batha from shops and target religious institutions and people. Also Quaid-e-Azam was also a Founding father of Pakistan and a Muhajir, because he was living in Hindustan when paksitan got independence, hence he was optimistic. Since he was the founding father, his ideals of the Pakistan is very important which MQM is 180 Degrees opposite. REad the speeches of Quaid-e-Azam, he wanted an Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Read Allama Iqbal, LIaqat Ali Khan and Fatima Jinnah.
Also for mistakes of the establishment, which MQM is part of, can’t be blamed to the ideology and purpose of PAkistan.
Did any body remembers that speech our beloved Altaf Bhai gave in India during Musharraf gov. He said asked Indian Government to help Pakistani “Muhajir” by giving them safe heaven in India because great unjustice is been done to “them” in Pakistan-Its on Youtube. But I forgot whether he was talking about the members of MQM or the actual MUhajirin who not only faced the atrocities but also were the part of the Independence movement of Pakistan.
I have vision for those who thinks that Muslims should not be divided or it is so called blunder by people of integrity.
Like USA in Pakistan also environment for non Muslims is very good so why don’t we expend Pakistan and bring Delhi, Hyderabad, Bombay and Punjab as part of Pakistan and I am very much sure that liberty that Pakistanis gives to those regions will never ever given to the ppl of said region by Indians.
For realizing this vision Pakistanis have to have to sacrifice blood might be more then 1947.
No harm in criticizing. he didnt say it GANDA. he just pointed out mistake, if you think hes wrong counter him with logic rather than being typical basher
masla ye hai merey bhai tumko bethey bithaye ka Pakistan mill gaya… simple ap India ja kar wahan job kr k dikha do… beth k batain karna bohut easy hai … aj ap jitney mazey se apney rights ko execute kar rahey hain 62 years pehley bohut mushkil tha. History utha kar parhain..
read my post about Alama Iqbal thank you. i have wrote it after seeing the comments and misconception of many people around here.
..LOL
What I have read so far in these interacts , is just rhetoric , Half-truths, Distortion of Facts, biased opinions, Pure Propaganda , and absolute Lies.
consider this…
had Punjab and Bengal Not sacrificed , for their Land ….. Pakistan would not have been possible.
Period.
out of 14.5 Million People who suffered
9.2 Million were in Punjab
3.2 Million were in Bengal
1.2 Million were in Sindh.
the worst hit cities were Lahore and Amritsar.
…These are the authentic figures , agreed upon by historians like Ayesha Jalal, Ravinder Kaur, K Z Islam ., Ian Talbot ….or Stanley wolpert
500,000 people lost their Life
My own personal opinion is, …there was no Pakistan …it was an attempt to revive Mughalistan ….where the New Subjects were not hindus but Muslims……
Period.
alright then, give it back to india. Make the sardar your president and hindu your prime minister. Say hello sir i am liberal i was in pakistan but it was a blunder. JIye Mutehda Jiye Mahajir. ab humain Altaf bhai ki bhi zarorat nahin ahi cuz hum wapas apney DESH mai agye hain..
…happy ending…
It is the reply of son of Alama Iqbal namely Javaid Iqbal on the statement made by Altaf Hussain for Alama Iqbal.I would like to share it here, thank you.
http://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/E_Paper/30-06-2009/Lahore/p8-1_1.gif
Allamas Iqbal son is not Allama Iqbal. he can always be wrong…
@ Arsh
I want to read the real transcript of Khutba e Allahbad 1930 and 1940 resolution, only after reading the unedited original transcript we can find out who is right.
Altaf Hussain or Iqbal Son.
Anyone who can contribute the original Khutba e Allahbad and 1940 resolution here?
I hope Altaf Hussain critics will love to present that to prove him wrong vice versa his lovers to prove him right.
Anyone? or we are just talking about something that is not even available for discussion?
this document is freely available on the net, all you had to do is google it.
One such copy can be read at
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_iqbal_1930.html
under the head
[[3]] Muslim India Within India
tell me who discriminated the Muslims??
who did ??
and how
then i will answer you my friend
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What about Babri Masjid Shaheed? Who did ?? Hindus.
1. Demolition of Babri Masjid in 1992 - Hindu Terrorists.
2. Gujrat Riots 2002 – Hindu Terrorists.
3. Bhagalpur Riots in 1989 - Hindu Terrorists.
4. Bihar Sharif Riots in 1980 - Hindu Terrorist
5. Meerut Riots – Hindu Terrorists.
6. Jamshedpur Riots – Hindu Terrorists
7. Bombay Riots 1992-1993 – Hindu Terrorists.
I thank zillion times to God that our ancestors got us rid off this gutter called INDIA.
@ Syed Ahmed
Till Muslim Minortiy was ruling india it was fine but when muslims feel that now they can’t rule India they start chanting for a news Muslim State.
What happen in India is far worst that is happening in Pakistan, Only one Babri Mosque is demolished while in pakistan many Mosques have been struck by Suicide Bombers and demolished.
Even Shrines of Sufi saints haven’t been pardon.
you give figures of few hindu Muslim Riots but failed to mention the every day riots between Sunni Shia, Barailwi Deobandi Ahl e Hadith , Qadyani etc riots in Pakistan.
I bet in pakistan Muslims killed more Muslims compare to Muslim killings in India.
^^^^ Afghan Taliban which are funded by india did all havoc in Pakistan. I bet you no true Muslim can kill his brother. Only a brain washed fool can!!!
Don’t give Blame Pakistan
The Leader ship of Pakistan 75% is currept.
The Honist Politician are not allowed to ply thair roll in Pakistan by Imperial Powers.
Won’t to know who are Honest pesonaltyes of Pakistan they have to pain to do.
Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan
Faisal Muhammed “Muslim Leager”
Ijaz-ul-Haq “Muslim Leaager”
Zafarululah Jamali.
Jawed Hashmi” Muslim Leager”
Mustufa Kamal
Sanaullh Zehri
Meraj Muhammed Khan
Haji Hanif Tayyeb
Fatima Bhutto
Rtd “Gen” Hameed Gul
Etc……………..
Every segment of population has to draw its own balance sheet. If Indian Hindus are to be considered as adversaries of Muslims settled in Pakistan and Bangladesh, partition has been the biggest blessing in disguise for Indian Hindus.
2. Excluding for a moment, horrors of partition and separation of relatives, partition has been a blessing even for Muslims who chose not to migrate to the then Pakistan. I am in late sixties. I would very soon see Lahore being Talabanised. If Delhi does not get Talabanised in my life time, credit for that goes to decision to divide the country on the ground of religion.
3. Original logic may have been flawed, but for Indian Hindus it has ensured that Muslims of sub continent have been neatly divided into three segments. Otherwise, they would have been a force to reckon with, if it was an undivided India. That is the message of Altaf Hussain.
4. Naturally, if they had been a force to reckon with in undivided India, the rest of population, particularly Indian Hindus are much better off without them in the present residual India.
5. Indians should remain ever so grateful to Jinnah for his call that we would have India divided or have India destroyed. His successors carried on his legacy by ensuring division of Pakistan and its near failed State status at this juncture. Political boundaries have helped in stemming march of Taliban to residual India, by its overwhelming presence in Pakistan. What more Indians / Hindus could have possibly asked for ? Only buffoons of RSS talk about Akhand Bharat, without realizing that it would be a disaster for India.
6. Thank God that there is no agenda for unification of the sub continent or to undo partition.
S K Malhotra
1st August 2010