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by Tanzeel Ahmad
While going through Motorway police website I came across something really interesting. I knew there must be some point “worth discussing” in their Job form and fortunately / unfortunately a weird aspect is found which is indeed a matter of shame for the nation and for those who are against Merit.
Motorway Police Job Form gives a true picture of ethnic discrimination in Pakistan against Urdu Speaking Karachites (who hold Urban Sindh Domicile). In domicile column 8 territories are defined
1- Islamabad
2- Punjab
3- Sindh (Urban)
4-Sindh (Rural)
5- NWFP
6-FATA/ Northern Areas
7-Balochistan
8-AJK
After reading above territories any sensible person can easily pick the odd man out. Urban Sindh!
Despite having better academic qualifications and professional skills, Urdu Speakings/ Karachites have suffered discrimination in public services and in the armed force . Its not that they are less patriotic or not fit for the armed forces. Its about their share they deserve being literate and capable.
The population of Karachi alone is over 15 million — about 10 per cent of Pakistan’s entire population yet the city has a job quota of only two percent in the government organizations.
Image of Motorway Police Job Form:
Source: http://www.nhmp.gov.pk/Form%2015-04-2009.doc
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Instead of allocating quotas and to give opportunities to the illiterate population why can’t our authorities build schools and technical education institutes to bring illiterate population on merit and If quotas are that much necessary and are required in Sindh, what about the other three provinces?
All the provinces have rural-urban divide, their rural populations have been deprived of jobs and admissions compared to urban inhabitants. Why does the question of quota revolve around Karachi only ?
http://www.orkut.com/Main#CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=17964271&tid=5355559386153709465&start=1
Tanzeel would you like to comment on this topic? I think the guy makes sense!!
Waqai yaar ye to bohat ajeeb se chez hay. They should have a good reason for this, other wise ye to khula taza hay! :o
Nopes — you can discuss your points here.
“A particularly dominant force in Pakistan is, in fact, the ethnic group which cries the most about “discrimination” against them - the Mohajirs. They are one of the smallest ethnic groups [7%] in Pakistan, and relatively speaking they hold a startlingly large amount of key posts. [anywhere b/w 10 and 40 percent!]
This is to show that other provinces are comparatively less represented due to reasons drastically different from what is supposed, or percieved.
A Sindhi, for example, would not make it to some top post because he would rather serve his “Sindhudesh”, than go to Islamabad and serve Pakistan, as a whole.
A Baloch would be restrained because the dynamics of Balochistan, and various social factors affecting the lives of the Baloch, do not permit disbursement of quality education in Balochistan.
It is time, then, to rise above archaic notion of “ethnic discrimination” and “racial profiling”, and to move past the doctrines of hate preached by “ethnicistic” and “ultra-nationalistic” parties such as the MQM, JSQM, Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party, and their various offshoots.
There is no discrimination in Pakistan.”
(Pakistan2010 Orkut, Navaak)
It was Bhutto who came with the special quota system on the temporary basis initially for the alienation of mohajirs actually. that was initially for 10 years in 73 constitution which have been kept regular and have been extended time to time. Last time, it was extended for 20 years in 99 in NA. MQM was the only party who opposed it.
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Pre-Bengal partition, Muhajirs who are more educated use to come in bureaucracy more as compare to any other other ethnicity. Bhutto introduced the quota system and divivded Sindh in rural and urban, introduced the domicile system so that no one can get the job from other city.
Quota: The 1973 Constitution
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Category ————————-Quota %
Merit——————————–10
Punjab——————————50
Sindh——————————-19 (Rural 11.4, Urban 7.6)
NWFP——————————-11.5
Baluchistan————————-3.5
Northern Areas and FATA————4
Azad Kashmir————————2
. Presenting facts on ethnicities basis. hope, you guys would understand how one of the educated class has been taken out from the bureaucracy. these are the facts till 1993.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4750/20103387.jpg
(Have to read how Muhajirs starts coming down in ratio)
A few years later, the situation on the ground changed further.Punjab now enjoyed a share in services which was more than its designated share in the quota. The mohajirs’ margin of over representation came down from three times their designated share to onlya fraction above that. Sindhis represented the other side of the same coin as they moved up from a mere trickle down to a figure approximating their quota.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7925/97614699.jpg
Why Punjab isn’t divided in rural and Urban ?
Why only Sidnh, It was done by the marshal law administrator ZAB who had managed to side line urdu speakers who used to be in bureaucracy in the past before 71.
The introduction of domicile from ZAB has been scewing up the future of inteligent students. they can’t get educated in good universities of other cities.
I hope, every one knows what happen to the student of CSS from urban Sindh. They keep trying and trying and and done their all attempts and even though they have better marks than the student of Punajb or Rural Sindh but they can’t passed. because it has to be limited according to the stupid quota system !
So, I wouldn’t mind to say that one of the most educated class has been treated in Pakistan as a 5th class along with the poor people of Balochistan.
Come back to India!!!
There is no discrimination in India.
Many Thanks,
Geetak Ingle
Why dont the mohajirs kick the punjabi assess. i know mohajirs are very bright, and i know karachi would have been like New York if proper rights had given to them.
Down with Punjabis. My friend told me In PIA all the employees are punjabis.. lol
what is the use of domicile thing? i have one but its misplaced now.
ask indian government to give fundamental rights, security to muslims and to save their religious place not to destroy Masjids and the homes of Muslims like Gujrat and other incidents. we are not against Punjabis, we are against the system which actually were made by “LORD MEKLAY”. Legal justice System rather then natural system, qouta system and more. we have tried all the politicians from every corner, Mahajir, sindhi, balochi, pathan, punjabi. who ever end this pre-partition systems.
political leaders divided us with different parties. otherwise we all are same when country need.
For Karachites it has no use — they have finally established a sense of no interest in people like you who could get jobs in CSS, Army, or any other Govt organization.
Some ignorants are even appreciating Quota system
unfortunately Yes, I support Quota System.\
As Long as there is LOOP Sided development in the country…. Karachi eats up 60-80% of the development Budget of sindh…..!! For whatever reason.
its a necessary evil which is required to bring Semblance to this Imbalance in privileges , being enjoyed by the privileged classes , and excuse me for being Blunt.
Mohajirs ARE a privileged Class , vis a vis the poor people of the rest of the country, excluding a minority of Elites .
The same Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who did Shimla Agreement and introduced Quota system was wandering around the courts of Bombay [Mumbai], India in 1952 to prove himself to be an Indian Citizen.
@ geetak ingle: Thanks for the offer, geetak. You really have big and generous heart. Thank you!
@ Bilal Ahmed
/“A particularly dominant force in Pakistan is, in fact, the ethnic group which cries the most about “discrimination” against them - the Mohajirs. They are one of the smallest ethnic groups [7%] in Pakistan, and relatively speaking they hold a startlingly large amount of key posts. [anywhere b/w 10 and 40 percent!]
This is to show that other provinces are comparatively less represented due to reasons drastically different from what is supposed, or percieved.
A Sindhi, for example, would not make it to some top post because he would rather serve his “Sindhudesh”, than go to Islamabad and serve Pakistan, as a whole.
A Baloch would be restrained because the dynamics of Balochistan, and various social factors affecting the lives of the Baloch, do not permit disbursement of quality education in Balochistan.
It is time, then, to rise above archaic notion of “ethnic discrimination” and “racial profiling”, and to move past the doctrines of hate preached by “ethnicistic” and “ultra-nationalistic” parties such as the MQM, JSQM, Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party, and their various offshoots.
There is no discrimination in Pakistan.”
(Pakistan2010 Orkut, Navaak)//
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This is coming from a shameless hypocrite who doesn’t even consider us Muhajirs. And I just went through this blatant liar’s moronic thread… through out the foul thread … this racist is just trying to prove how wrong are we muhajirs… shows his hatred for us muhajir ( perhaps cause we are indians to him and his likes ) … I am so shocked to see that this full of double standard dismicriminitor has made a thread on MYTHS of discriminition … what irony…
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I am busy till 15th..but I will be posting my article on the REALITY of discrimintion and monopoly of one province in pakistan soon.
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Tanzeel … very well written article pinching for certain people … but reality always bites… I myself have recently been subjected to discriminition myself … for indian roots i have so still indian… and may be this is why our patriotism and pakistaniyat is challenged resulting in discrimination in every govt sector of pakistan…
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addtion :
/This is coming from a shameless hypocrite who doesn’t even consider us Muhajirs//…
as Pakistanis.
@ arsh
Man i know, Muslims living in India and Indian Muslims (The Mohajirs) living in Pakistan are very bright and talented. As you pointed out Indian Muslims don’t have their fundamental rights in India. That is true. I am damn sure if these Muslims are not brutalized, they have potential to change the whole world. See the example of Dr.Kalam, Dr.Qadir, Dr. Salam etc etc.
*the
@ Tanzeel
This is totally ethnic discrimination against Mohajirs who made this country.
Shame on People who are endorsing it.
Well written, Tanzeel! An eye-opener!
Can we progress in presence of disgusting quota system that allow incompetents to cross eligible ones isnt it clear cut violation of human rights??where are human right organizations? where is free judiciary?? no suo moto ?? which act of constitution allow to induct incompetents in elite services byepassing eligible ones ?? i firmly believe almighty Allah will take revenge from introducer of Quota system….
Yes we had found a way to get out of this Quota system in the form of privatization — Musharraf was our messiah and he did his level best to get us out of this quota system but ultimately he was also ousted — I pray I am optimistic about his return.
such a racist you are — Just to save your Punjabism you have even sidelined Sindhis ? Shame on you ! Too many profiles you keep , too many faces you have!
@ geetak ingle
Hey geetak… Don’t provoke a fight in Pakistanis. I am a Tamil guy… I know what you bloody hindus do with South Indians…Your basic purpose of life is fight…I know how united The Pakistanis are…Did you see them in T20 Worldcup…You NorthIndians dont give Tamils any room in Cricket…SEE YOU NORTH INDIANS LOST…YOU discriminate Tamils just because we have darker skin than you…Bloody North INDIANS…WE want to get separated from you…
@ gill.
Indeed…You are right… and you are not biased… b/c you ave pin pointed towards both side of spectrum…
@ arsh..
the way you write in your comments about Indian Muslims… i reall ywant to know have you even been to india.. ?
or just keep blabbering..
AGREEED WE DONT EVEN WANT THIS JOBS AND FOR THOSE WHO SAYS WE ENJOY , WE ENJOY BECAUSE OUR ANCESTORS AS WELL AS OUR CULTURE THE KARACHI CULTURE IS WHERE THERE IS NO FUEDALISM , EVERY BODY LIKES TO EDUCATE HERE AND ACCEPT CHALLENGES , KARACHI PRODUCE THE PERSON LIKE DR A Q KHAN, HAJI ABDUL WAHAB SAHAB , AND WE THE KARACHIITES BRING ISLAM , CULTURE , TRADITION IN PAKISTAN.
No body can compete with Mohajirs in Education and Merit that is the only reason Punjab and SIndh imposed Quota System.
And not only this Mohajir Massacres and 1992 Operation is all to Stop progressive Liberal Middle Class people from ruling this country.
No, thank you Geetak. I would rather live and die in Pakistan. Infact that is the case with all Muhajirs. :)
i have never been in india but this is your media who give information and it came in my knowledge via websites, Etv urdu and online news papers. In fact so many incidents are clear like a glass to prove my contentions. do any indian have guts to deny it?.
Lets here some source to maintain my words.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Sons-of-soil_Muslims_face_attacks_from_migrants/articleshow/3571590.cms
Disgracing woman in Kashmir by Indian Police
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Forensic-report-confirms-two-Kashmiri-women-were-raped/articleshow/4627867.cms
http://ummatpublications.com/2009/07/05/story15.html
Throwing of Pork Meet in Mosque of Maisoor Karnatak.
http://ummatpublications.com/2009/07/04/story4.html
if its blabbering, I would love to do it and this will be covered by the philosophy of ” Freedom of Speech”
so poor musharraf. he was trying since “10 years” but he actually got removed from presidential seat. lolzz. sound so humorous. remember brother if a person has willing to do no one can stop him to do. he made several acts and amendment in constitution terrorist act and so much amendment in legal system, judicial changes, grant of Agha khan education board and more. He was not a powerless to do this.
Every politician has to adopt this sort of mismanaged jobs, education, fall of economics and health system to be “The President”. this time i am not emotional, history speaks itself.
Omg whats happening here :| People are giving refrences of Ummat Newspaper :|
Some are acting bloody racists and show their ****ism by declining that there is no discrimination.
I have mentioned how Bhutto h alienated Muhajirs from bureaucracy in my first post. Please have a look into that and check out the percentage- how it went down !
Anyways.
@ Afat. //
[i]unfortunately Yes, I support Quota System.\
As Long as there is LOOP Sided development in the country…. Karachi eats up 60-80% of the development Budget of sindh…..!! For whatever reason.
its a necessary evil which is required to bring Semblance to this Imbalance in privileges , being enjoyed by the privileged classes , and excuse me for being Blunt.
Mohajirs ARE a privileged Class , vis a vis the poor people of the rest of the country, excluding a minority of Elites [/i]//
Would you like to balance this thing in Punjab as well ? Shouldn’t it be divided into rural and urban Punjab as well . As only particuler class who are coming from big cities in Northern Punjab are coming out ? Education standard of thousands of villages of Punjab is worst. Chaataii schools are there too. How come they get into civil services if they are having education in those Chaataii schoo ?
Would you like to give some facts how many people are coming in civil services from Southern Punjab ?
@ Arsh
It means you are trying to say the muslims in India are in very bad condition ?
Yes you are right
But unfortunately the muslims who are suffering in India are those muslims who actually struggle for Separate home land, but after Pakistan, Muslims came from India are slapped with Quota System and those who left behind are in miserable condition.
And the people who didn’t even struggle for Pakistan,Like Punjabies and Punjab on one fine morning wake up and find out that a new country is made, becomes the so called Patriots of this country.
Not a single Punjabi was found in Pakistan’s Struggle, Muslim league was founded in Bangal and the whole Pakistan movement was run in UP, CP, Bihar, Bangal.
Bangalis were labeled as Traitors and kicked out from Pakistan.
If Muslims are in bad condition in India it means Altaf Hussain is right,
Pakistan gives nothing to Muslims of Indian Sub continent, Only Punjabies getting benefit from pakistan who were not even part of Struggle, till 1945 unionists led by Sardar Sikandar Hyat Tiwana were ruling Punjab.
I still wonder why there is no Urban and Rural Divide in Punjab, NWFP and Balochistan?
Hello everybody in Pakistandesk.
This is Aoyama Tanaka from Japan. The thing is my boy friend is a Pakistani and he was on this forum, reading something. I also started reading this forum for the sake of improving my English. I was perplexed to see such an article on this forum. I have been to Pakistan in 2004, and more importantly i have lived in Karachi for about a month with my boy friend. I stayed in Sheraton Hotel; it was a pity awesome experience. I also went to ‘Lal Qila’, ‘The Karachi Sea’, ‘Zaeen ab Market( i bought some good quality Jean Pants from there), and almost all the beaches(Cleefton Beach, French Beach, Hawk Bay, Keenara Beach, Man ora Beach, Paradise Point, Russian Beach, Sandspit Beach, Sea View, Turtle Beach and Devils Point).
I was amazed to see the hospitality of Pakistani People.
Very humbly, i want to say one thing: These little things as Mr. Tanzeel mentioned exist in every part of the world. Even in Japan. This is not a big deal.
I am under the impression that Pakistan is very well-developed country and highly well- organized country.
As far as geetak ingle’s comments are concerned, i just want to say one thing: I do not want to offend you geetak, but Pakistan has it own culture which is very clean and healthy. So, People of Pakistan will have a hard time to adjust in India. So, you should try to come up with some things.
I have never visited India, and, i was planning to visit India in this summer. But i am so scared to go to India after The “Mumbai Attack”, My boy friend and I were planning to stay in the hotel but after the Mumbai Attack, Hotels are not saved for the visitors. So Sorry about that I have no idea whether Pakistanis can adjust in India or not.
LOL
Now this is getting rhetorical
1- had Punjab along with Bengal not sacrificed , that is allowed its Land to be bi-furcated , or divided there would have been no Pakistan.
2…excuse me , but Sindh Lost all of its educated polity 1.2 Million out of 1.4 Million Non- Muslims who were the educated middle Class , forced to migrate OUT .
they are now vehicle of Progress in Indian Gujrat .
and with their departure , Sindh became baron , and regressed at least 1000 years back.
and what was left , was the primitive feudal or wadera culture, and Sindh is suffering because of this .
those who replaced that educated Sindhi Middle Class , had and still has no interest in the REST of the Sindh , sans the cities they live in.
they mentally live in an isolated cocoon , devoid of the realities which exist outside their cities
and actually with comments like this, have no Idea whats the REST of PAKISTAN is.
..these are harsh comments but FACTS.
this rural- urban divide is because of this FACT.
and nowhere in the rest of the country , the situation is like this.
in the rest of the country, Urdu speaking migrants assimilated themselves in the locals , and are living in harmony.
Not in Sindh, they built their own invisible FORTs , isolated mental cocoons and shunned anything of Local culture .
Why…??
Because of whats called ” Victor Syndrome “….but thats another debate.
….Some body won a Land , on the sacrifices of other ,……..and then the blatant distortion of history and FACTs ….. undermine sweeps under the rug , the sacrifices of Others.
Some One wrote
“Would you like to balance this thing in Punjab”
….man you have no Idea , really no Idea of the Quantum change that has taken place in the rest of the county.
they are already in Balance , there is no such imbalance anywhere in the rest of the country.
and whatever little adjustments that are required will take care of themselves in the due course of time.
and as far as the Southern Punjab scenario is concerned , its a struggle between a decaying rotten Feudal Order and a new emerging industrial-cum technological order , its a part of a historical process
…..if you have any iota of knowledge of Pakisan’s history , …..then you would know, that Feudal, Land lords, Gaddi Nasheens, Peers, …etc…etc…etc…from Southern Punjab . were always , and I mean always roaming the corridors of Power , since 47.
but like I said, its a historical struggle between an old decaying and rotten feudal order and a new progressive and forward looking modern order .
@ aoyama
You are saying Pakistan is not as black as painted.
I live abroad and i know how these punjabis( thieves) spend money like water. They dont earn a penny and spend money day and night. How? They are corrupt assess!!! People of Karachi working hard and these punjabi corrupt asses steal our money through PML(N).
We will bring out these facts until the punjabis stop doing that.
Good Job Tanzeel.
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Why don’t you tell me the ratio of people in civil services from Southern Punjab ?Do look at the recent and previous results of CSS and look from where people are coming in Punjab and then tell me !
About iota of Pakistan’s history and this feudal thing ..lol ..Ain’t we have the same mentality in Sindh too ? Supporting this in Sindh and opposing in Punjab(because you are from Northern Punjab) is plain hypocrisy ! It should be abolished asap or should be imposed as a rural and urban quota in other provinces too to balance the power in all level of people.
Urban Sindh has the most educated population and its a shame and one of the big reason we don’t see Pakistan progressing because merit has been ignored deliberately by the domination class- just to keep their selveds in majority !
@jani
giving reference of ummat news paper was out of this topic it was for soumiya sexena not for you, read it again. It was a REPLY. first understand that what is going on and what is actually replying then comment. thank you.
@ Khaled Faroqi
It was for those indian who said that join India again we will give you your right. i replied them starts with those muslims who are in india now. I am against the qouta system.
TO ALL THOSE WHO BLAMED PANJABIS ONLY.
but only panjabis cannot labeled with this allegation that they protect this qouta system even we have tried leaders of all cast. Mahajir, Sindhi leaders were present, Musharraf and Ziaul Haq was Mahajir, they never changed this Qouta system why. Even at the time when parliament were not in session, musharraf was the only dictator even they he didnt change it why??????? All the leaders are working under the same policy of establishment you cannot blame a single cast for it.
i would love to say that all we need to make bridges not walls.
Jaani ….. did you really read my posts…??
or its an impulsive reaction from a pre-conceived bias….!!
Let me try to be brief.
Sindh became baron, because its Educated progressive middle class was thrown out….. and unfortunately the peoples who replaced them , had no idea of the thousands years history , land, culture , and nature of Sindhis …………….and worst they were and are not even interested.
Southern Punjab is witnessing a class sturggle between a rotten , decaying and stagnant Feudal cum exploitive religious order …..and the new modern order.
… because inspite of being in power since 47 , these feudals, these gaddi nasheens, these Majawars , and these Peers have not delivered anything for their areas.
Period.
@ Arsh
What muslims of Indian Sub continent got after Partition?
If Pakistan was made for Muslims of Indian Sub continent then why in 1954 borders of Pakistan was closed for them?
About blaming Punjab do you know to eliminate Quota System you need 2/3 Majority in parliament and Punjab has more seats in National Assembly then other three Provinces.
3rdly Punjab is completely responsible for this Quota System as Nawaz Sharif a Punjabi Nationalist Leader with 2/3 Majority, if he wants can abolished it but he actually extends it for 40 more years.
How many ??
40 More years.
http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/amendments/Dawn_16thAmend_4june1999.html
So WTF is this?
Punjab itself wants this Quota System in place as it gets 60% jobs out of 100% with out any merit,
Punjabies got jobs only on the basis of their Punjabi cast so whom to blame?
What Punjab and Punjabies give to this country except Army operations and running 3 provinces like its colony ?
Get a life and ask your Punjabi leadership WHAT THEY have give to this country ?
Pakistan is most corrupt as it is run by Corrupt Punjabi civil and army bureaucracy who are in government institutes not on merit but because they are Punjabies.
I ask you who made Talibans ?
Generals from Punjab?
Then why those Generals are free like Col Imam and Hameed Gul ?
They all should be hanged with Talibans, if Talibans are bad then the people who made them should be punish as well.
@ ohoo khaleed bhai easy.
I am “”"”"”"against”"”"”"”" the qouta system also i am against the pointing out one cast. I am agree that most of the punjabi leaders did wrong, even mahajir leaders.
All i want to say that this is not a time to touch history. its time to resolve the issues with new educated generation. if we continue with this blaming tactics like our elders did, who is going to resolve the tie.
“”Ittehad Benul Muslimeen”"
should be our target now. It is not a time to blaming its time to share ideas. what do you have in your mind that how can WE save our Pakistan. say bye bye to the words ME & YOU.
Like I said, much of this is rhetoric , to exaggerate ” victim hood Syndrome ”
Quota system is not new for Pakistan , nor for world, its called ” Affirmative Action ” , to protect the interests of Under privileged .
the first Quota system was introduced in 1948 , it has 40% quota for Bengal, 23% for Punjab, 10% merit , 2% Especially for Karachi , and the rest 25% for the rest of Sindh, Balochistan and Sarhad.
Karachi got preferential treatment , with a seperate 2% quota ,over and above the quota of Sindh.
Leading to a disproportionate representation of Mohajirs who were 3% of the population , they got 33% Share
“Christina Lamb, “Kalashnikov Rule Maintains the Ethnic Divide in Southern Pakistan”, The Financial Times), alleges that the quota system is still the main grievance of the Mohajirs. The author states that “Mohajirs tend to be better educated so had a disproportionate 33 percent of top civil service jobs until quotas introduced in 1974 began pushing them out.”
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/topic,463af2212,469f2eb02,3ae6ab4990,0.html
The Next Quota system was introduced in 1974 , and was based on population .
it gave Punjab 50% , whose population was 56%
Sindh 23% same as its population. and 10% Merit
and the rest 17% for Sarhad and Balochistan.
this 23% was then again allocated on the basis of Urban -rural divide in a ratio of 40% to 60% .
this attempt to Balance the Imbalance in representation , cut deep into the Mohajir domination , and their representation droped from 33% to 20% .
and thats where this hue and cry for discrimination started , and alienated people got entraped in ” Victim Hood Syndrome ” .
…. Its ironic, when you TRAMPLE the rights of the Others , its OK ….. but when some one tries to bring Justice and tries to protect the interests of Underprivileged you start crying ” discrimination ” .
…though I read , some where about Dr Hassan Askari’s figures, he quoted the figures as Mohajirs controlling 70% jobs, and those being scaled down to 45% , being the reason as the loss of privileges the main factor.
But in my opinion, he might be talking about Sindh Alone not the whole country.
Why jobs are not given on Merit basis ??
.. Because of the uneven , social progress among the various segments of the society.
………… its called ” Affirmative action ” , it may appear unjust , but it actually safe guards the interests of the ” underprivileged ” . , who otherwise would be left …” underprivileged ” for ever.
Even USA uses such affirmative action for their minorities , and India for its minorities and schedule casts….
@ afat.
so you mean in other states except sindh, they dont have people who actually count in “underprivileged”.?
LOL
Someone was not happy with my earlier post, he deleted it…..
Ask HIM to restore that …..
the quota system in Sindh is limelight and is further classified into URBAN-RURAL division to acknowledge the ethnic division , which in some sense is now geographical division of the ethnicities as well .
Urban = Mohajirs
Rural = Sindhis
where as no such division exists anywhere else in Pakistan.
Period.
Third
…..People in other provinces too , do complaint about the Urban-Rural bias in the implementation of Quota system ……but then the argument of unequal treatment is because of unequal standard of education because of Urban advantage and rural disadvantage of getting resources…..
not difference of ethnicity.
and thats where this hue and cry for discrimination started , and alienated people got entraped in ” Victim Hood Syndrome ” .
…. Its ironic, when you TRAMPLE the rights of the Others , its OK ….. but when some one tries to bring Justice and tries to protect the interests of Underprivileged you start crying ” discrimination ” .
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This is being done by you mate- HYPOCRISY- You see no imbalance in Southern Punjab where you call Fuedals and Pir and Sadars are the main problem. but unfortunately you can’t see thats same thing happening in rural Sindh too and those who are coming from Rural Sindh in jobs and education, they are the relatives, sublibgs and family friend of those Sindhi feudals most of the time.
What a hypocrisy- You brought the argument of not proper education in Rural But you can’t see this imbalance in Punjab. *Sigh*.
Its mentioned in my post that Muhajirs in civil services got down from 33% to 18% and It was till 1993. I still can’t find the current ratio of Muhajirs in Civil services. May be, no one is interested to get this any more. I told you earlier as well, Just have a look on recent CSS result and just look at the cities of passing candidaiates. Urban Sindh has only 8 seats and from that only 2 or 3 candidiates are from Karachi. More than 20 from Rural Sindh.
I still want to see how Southern Punjab isn’t imbalance as the situation of education is quite similar there as well as the problem of feudalism is much alike Rural Sindh too.
that UN report shows how openly one minority has been side lined by DISCRIMINATION.
Underdevelopment of Southern Punjab is a Boggey .
….Peers, Gaddi Nasheens, Big Land Lords from this sourthern belt , along with the Triangluar belt which borders Sindh, Punjab and Balochistan ….. have always been among the rulers…. their people……
Period.
…..But Like I said, in one of my earlier post, its a struggle between a crumbling Old , rotten Feudal Order and a New Modern order….and within no time, in due course this anomaly will correct itself.
About the % , yes thats a hidden secret , albeit one still finds, the Jafris, Nomanis, Naqvis,Siddiques and what not ….. filling the ELITE Establishment.
with the TOW in Punjabis as the convineint scapegoats..
..and stop this rhetorical adhomeniums
pakistandesk.com’s done it once more. Amazing writing!