I have seen Pakistani people on online forums, crying over the so called pathetic condition of Muslims here, forgetting that whether Hindu or Muslim our Constitution grant them equal rights, Rule of Law Constitution stand above all… if unfortunately there was Babri and Godhra, then there was a mass support against it too both legal and social…
while in Pakistan we can see there own inflictions on minorities like this, Constitutional provision to declare some community non muslim, is it self hilarious.. you must not call it constitution only,

well written article :)
I appreciate the candid approach of the author after deaming article on this forum against Ahmadiya…

No one has the right to claim someone muslim or non muslim,
reminds me of the couplet ..
“arey mullah zanaza padh, phir main jaano mera Khuda jaanay”

Well written and bravely spoken Tanzeel. I wish there were more who spoke like you…I really do.

The Islamic religious mafia in Pakistan has disturbed the whole social fabric of Pakistan. They have hijacked Jinnah’s Pakistan. This situation is very disappointing. Very well written, Tanzeel!

I have read the history of urdun, when muslims were attacked they were deciding that eating of crow is halaal or haram. It is all about forgetting the Quran and Sunnah of MUHAMMAD P.B.U.H.

shocked to see the behavior people of Pakistan and orkut face book that when people of Lal Masjid was demanding for rebuilding eleven Mosques demolished in Islamabad, whatever the way danda system they adopt but their demand were justified to rebuild the Masjids and at that time if people of Pakistan stands like this, like today in favour of Ahmadiyat, that incident would be never occurred.

@ soumya
Ahmadis are non muslims not even by constitution but by their acts and deeds. They did not believe that Muhammad P.B.U.H is the last Messenger like other religions did which is the base of Islam and for that you need to read their book written by their imam “Mai Muhammad ka tasalsul hon” means i am the continuation of Muhammad P.B.U.H. (Nauzubillah) and Muslims demand to count them in minority and later on they were listed in the list of minorities, like people with their own religion.

Let me know if i start my religion in hinduism like making of moorti of my mobile and start preaching like hinduism that mobile is my GOD and we should pray infront of mobile (nauzubillah)just like hindus did but with different thought, what do you call me? a person who is wrongly preach your religion. you will not favour me in any way, you will not consider my thoughts you will always against me, you might be start campaign against me also you will not allow me to built a temple where i put moorti of mobile phone and call people to pray and obey the mobile.

The same is done against Muslims by Ahmadi. Removing of Kalma outside the place of Ahmadi is justified because it was wrongly mentioned at wrong place by its presentation it looks like a mosque.
but breaking the names of ALLAH and MUHAMMAD B.P.U.H is not justified i am against it and also i didnt see any police man who were breaking MASHALLAH, ALLAH, or MUHAMMAD’s names. these people with civil dresses.

As far as I am concerned, the definition of a Muslim is anyone who claims to be Muslim and incorporates, at the very least, the oneness of Allah into his/her aqeedah. By that token, Ahmadiyyas are Muslims by all means.

What distresses me more than anything else is that hailing from a Shia family myself, it is tragic to see Shias, a persecuted sect in Pakistan and some other parts of the world as well, are also complicit in this neo-Nazi-like Islamofascist movement against the Ahmadiyya sect. Even more distressing to see is that the overwhelming majority of the Pakistani mainstream Muslim populace endorses the apartheidic treatment of Ahmadiyyas.

@Shahid Ali:

You, my friend, are in complete negligence (intentional or otherwise, that I can’t decipher just yet) of the fact that Ahmadis DO believe in Prophet Muhammad SAW, adn consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmed a subordinate messenger. Mirza is NOT the law-bearing prophet for Ahmadis, Muhammad SAW is. The act of removing the Kalma from Ahmadi mosques is beyond ridiculous, especially when the kalma does NOT say Anything about Muhammad being the last messenger:

“There is no god but Allah; Muhammad SAW is the messenger of Allah”

Unfortunately you’re yet another victim of the venomous propaganda spread by Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Khatme-Nabuuwat

no surprise to see a pro Qadiani post on a blog Pakistan desk which removed Kashif Hafeez article regarding 7 sep just after uploading the same. For details of Fraud Altaf and Qadianis read http://talkhaabau.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/%d8%a7%db%8c%d9%85-%da%a9%db%8c%d9%88-%d8%a7%db%8c%d9%85-%d9%82%d8%a7%d8%af%db%8c%d8%a7%d9%86%db%8c-%d9%88%d9%b9%db%81-%d8%b3%d9%b9%db%81-%d8%9b-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b7%d8%a7%d9%81-%d8%ad%d8%b3%db%8c%d9%86/

@arsh
see don’t quote Hinduism here..
because Hinduism is such a wide encompassing religion it is not about who qualifies to be God and who does not, it is more faith and belief based. So if you think your mobile is God, then people might find you crazy and all but they won’t vandalize the temple you make or pass a resolution against you amending the constitution that you are not a Hindu… please take a break, we keep religion away from our constitution,
my point is not abt Ahmadiya being muslim or not, but the point is Consitution does not decide who is what religion, and give guidlelines to discriminate one minority… don’t mix theology with Law and Constitution and if you doing so don’t call it CONSTITUTION… tauheen na karo

@ soumya

The definition of hinduism which you said you might be right on your part but in case if i preach your religion just against basics of your religion what will you do? and dont tell me that hindus shall have sweet dish for me or ignore me easily. I am also living in this world.
i quote hinduism to understand you about our problems against ahmadis and i was just giving you an example.

Ahmadi’s faith is just not like non muslims but also they are back biting the end of prophesy of Muhammmad P.B.U.H under the heading of ISLAM.

Constitution is the LAW proclaimed over the whole Pakistan. Time when Ahmadis were decided as non muslim it was in the government of PPP the issue were taken in the National Assembly regarding the such misdeeds of Ahmadis in Pakistan. All political parties including PPP, bhutto which tanzeel count him as secularist and all political elected parties decided that Ahmadis are non Muslims because of their acts and deeds and faith after the long and great discussions. Just to differentiate between Muslims and Ahmadis they were announced as Ahmadis Non Muslims.

see the Kazim post and the part which makes difference between Muslims and Ahmadi let me paste it here again

“”act that Ahmadis DO believe in Prophet Muhammad SAW, and consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmed a subordinate messenger.”"”

Problem is if someone pass awful remarks against Muhammad P.B.U.H and Quran, denying the end of Prophesy, people count it as freedom of speech and if Muslim defense it by way of LAW they count it as hypocrisy, terrorism, Mullah rulers, hrarilous act and others. This is not just fair with us.

History of Constitutional Amendment for Ahmadis.

The leader of Ehl-e-Sunnat Moulana Shah Ahmed Noorani presented a private bill in 1974 in the National Assembly of Pakistan. That bill was signed by 28 members of National Assembly and submitted by the opposition leader Moulana Mehmood Mufti.

The ex-prime minister of Pakistan Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto (late) established a special committe of National Assembly, to gave deep thought to the Rubwah Incident and to regulate recommendations for the Qadiani(Ahmedi) dipsute. Mr. Abdul Hafeez Perzada , ex-Minister of Law of Pakistan, presented the bill in the National Assembly from the Government of Pakistan.

The speaker National Assembly Sahab Zada Farooq Ali Khan headed the discussions on Qadiani Dispute in the assembly. Qadiani (Rubwah Group) and Lahori Group presented their muster roll in the special committee for the dispute. In reply to the muster roll from these two groups, Muslims presented their ‘Muslim Nation’s standpoint’ under the team headed by Muhammed Yousuf Banori and inculding members Moulana Muhammed Sharif Jalindhari, Moulana Muhammed Hayat, Moulana Taj Mehmood and Moulana Abdul Raheem Ashar for the reasearch and compilation of the references to be presented during the discussion.

From 5 to 11 August 1974 and from 20th to 21st August 1974 (11 days) Mirza Nasir was cross questioned by the Attorney General Pakistan Yahya Bakhtyar in front of the special comittee in the National Assembly.

Two days 27th and 28th August 1974, Lahori group was cross questioned. Sadar-Uddin, Abdul Manan Umer and Masood Baig presented the Lahori group in the National Assembly’s special committe.

On 5th and 6th September 1974, Attorney General of Pakistan Mr. Yahya Bakhtyar presented the conclusion of the discussion on Qadiani Dispute.

Atlast a bill was sent to the National Assembly to implement the recommendations from special committee of National Assembly for the Qadiani Dispute. And it has been come to the end with the conclusion that Qadiani/Lahori Group are against the fundamental belief of Islam that Hazrat Muhammed (peace be upon him) is the last prophet.

@ arsh
you really don’t seem to get my point … :D
there is no ONE hindu practice which i can claim is the RIGHT one, there can be nothing opposite to Hindu belief… Trust me… like I said it is the most encompassing religion… a hindu can worship idols generally we are known for idol worshipping, but if I choose not to worship idols even then i’m a hindu… if i choose not to wear sindoor on being married… even then i’m a hindu, i if say I dont believe in demi gods and other 33 million gods.. even then I”M A HINDU..

the point is not tht Arsh, the point is… even if I digress from something what Right does the Constitution has to claim me something .. why needed a Consti provision for it?
i agree on what Kazim has said… no one has the right to judge anyone as muslim or non muslim,… let us leave that to God

@Kazim: My friend, unfortunately, you have not understood my comment properly. Read and understand my comment again.

@ syed
i guess he confused you with Arsh..

@ Soumya
I think you are right.

Here, we see that Custodians of enlightened concepts, Liberal approaches & so called progressive, continuously poking their nose in the matters which are directly related to EEMAN (Faith).

KHATM-E-NABUWAT is the integrated part of our faith. Sahaba ikram (RAT) fought against Muslima Kazzab. who is just like Ahmadies have same Kalima & same Adan. Then why they fought? Because it was the matter of Faith.

Ahmadies has no relation with Islam & its teaching. Admin of this blog removed my simple folowing post
http://kashifiat.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/september-071974-a-historical-day/

& here add a video which can be increase the sentiments. Mr. Mubashir Lucman is now the advocate of Ahmadiat. Which exposed by Talkaba

Masjid-e-Zarar was also a Masjid which was demolished as per instruction of Prophet peace be up on him,

If any one has confusion then why Ahmadies are non Muslim can read the following post

http://kashifiat.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/the-problem-of-qadiyanism/

Please in the name of enlightement don’t attack on basic believes if religion.

Kafirs are Kafirs. Be clear

Dear Kashif, first of all I never considered Ahmedis as Muslims or even Non Muslims since I believe i don’t have any right gauge Muslimness of anyone. Secondly, if you read my article you will see in entire article I have spoken about their rights which they deserve as minority. At least we should give them their due rights, why we are afraid of them ?

It is shocking to see the act of disgracing Kalima لا اله الا الله محمد رسول اللہ & the sacred names of Allah & Muhammad (saw) in the country which has been created in the name of Islam. It is even more regretting to see that this blasphemous act is being carried out by the Police on the instructions of government authorities. Even the saddest thing about the entire event is that No Religious Scholar whatsoever has condemned the incidence rather the Ulemas participating in tv program, discussing the issue, are shown justifying this horrible & unbelievable act of disrespect of sacred writings. It is the time to think that how intolerant & extremist, as a nation, we have become. We have become so hostile that we do not hesitate to disrespect out own sacred writings – just because our opponents are using them.

There is a tale that a dispute arose between ownership of a child between two women. Both were claiming that the child belong to them. The matter was taken-up to the wise king of that time. After listening both the women each claiming that it is her child; the wise king said “Ok, cut the child into two and handover each piece to the two”. Hearing this, the woman who was actually the mother of the child cried that “No, No, don’t cut the child it belongs the other woman – give it to her & don’t cut him”. Upon listening this; the wise king ordered to handover the child to that woman who withdrew her claim on the child just because she could not see the child suffer.

I could not understand that how someone who really loves Allah & Muhammad (saw) can disgrace their names or support such an act? Is their love for the sacred names of Allah & Muhammad (saw) even less than the love of the woman for her child who did not allow harm to her loved one knowing that doing so will snatch her child from her forever?

Islam is very simple & logical religion. But dishonest Mullahs have made it too complicated. The Prophet (saw), when asked that “what is Islam” Replied “Do not associate partners with Allah, offer prayer, pay Zakat and fast in Ramadhan” {Muslim - Kithab ul Iman}.

At another instance, when asked about “Who is Muslim” the Prophet (saw) replied “: One who observes the same prayer as we do, faces the same direction (in prayer) as we do, and partakes from the animal slaughtered by us, then such a one is a Muslim”. {Bukhari - Kitabus Salat}

But today, Mullahs do NOT accept these definitions & call people Non-Muslim despite they fulfill all the conditions of being Muslim according to the Ahadith quoted above.

May Allah guide us all to the Right Path. May Allah Protect our beloved Pakistan from narrow vision Mullahs.

One of the most informative, constructive, itelligent, based on the fundamental teachings of Islam, this is one article which should be presented for international writer’s award. I personlly feel that Pakistan would have been one of the most civilized, devloped and proud nation, had the two most self-centered selfish idots (Bhutto & Zia) had not sold the interests of the nation to the power-hungry mullahs. Isn’t it ironic that the end of both of them was made an example by Allah, for the mankind?

The sad part is that our innocent masses have since been totally brain-washed by the extremist mullhas who have quite successfully defaced Islam throughout the world. And all inthe name of Islam….even defacing, and throwing the kalima nd Allah’s name in the gutter by the so-called “No Fear” representatives of our “Islamic” govenment. They are too busy either hoarding cash in their foreign banks or praising Benazir for giving her life to make room for the known DECOITS themselves to take over.
ONCE AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WRITER OF THE ABOVE ARTICLE AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THE BOLD AND COURAGEOUS PEOPLE LIKE MUBASHER LUCMAN, ALTAF HUSSAIN, HASSAN NISAR, NAZIR NAJI & SO MANY OTHER INTEELECTUALS OF PAKISTAN, TO TAKE UP THE PLIGHT OF AHMADIS. I SALUTE YOU IN THE NAME OF PAKISTAN FOR WHICH SO MANY OF MY FAMILY GAVE THEIR LIVES.

@soumya. after reading the definition you have mentioned for hindusim, i really didnt know that hindusim have such flexibility and it might be right but in case of Muslims there is a little difference, we are bound to follow the basics, nor in Quran neither in Sunnah we have found any thing like Subordinate Messengers. In fact ALLAH sent many of Messengers with one job to preach the religion but not a subordinate messenger or helper of messenger. Like Christians had Messenger Hazrat Esa A.S (Jesus) even if I dont agree that Jesus wansnt Messenger, I am no more Muslim. So it might be complicated for you but the truth is, if I dont follow the fundamentals of Islam i am not in the religion of Islam.

Again i remind you my words. That what else Molvis do if the religion preached wrong by such Ahmadis.? to take legal action? That constitutional amendment was the legal remedy. As i have mentioned the whole story.

11 days Mirza Nasir was cross questioned by the Attorney General Pakistan Yahya Bakhtyar in front of the special comittee in the National Assembly. YAHYA BAKHTIYAR is not a molvi her daughter Zeba Bakhtiyar is an T.V actress ex wife of Adnan Sami.

To protect the religion from the culprits what else to do. I mean i count my self to preach and protect my religion, my country, my peoples from the culprits so others do, this is what we ordered and I have so much faith in it.

meri zindagi ka maksad es deen ki sarfarazi, mai es leye musalma mai es leye namazi..

So many people are supporting Ahmadis now a days just because of so called ” SOCIALISM” denying the orders of ALLAH and Hadis of Muhammad P.B.U.H, against such culprits.

I will write in detail after Ramzan.

excellent article by taanzeel i must say..
the whole concept of this article was rights of Ahmdis as a MINORITY and bless us cz that also v r not ready to give. its the denial of basic human rights. stop playing God pepl, its not 4 us 2 decide. it is said in THE Holy Quran & i quote:‘For you your religion, and for me my religion.’[Al-Kafirun]
“jo zar maango..tou bey-zar hon, jo sar mango..tou hazir hon; mukh moroon tou KAAFIR hon, MEN JANOO MERA KHUDAA JANEY….”

Thanks for answering a Multibillion dollar question i.e How to fight terrorism, and religious intolerance in countries like Iraq, Afghan, and Pakistan.
Introduction of 298C and 295C was the……….as Tanzeel said
“That was the beginning of the nightmare of religious intolerance.
So until unless Pakistan get rid of ridiculous laws against peace loving minorities WHO BUILD PAKISTAN, the war against terrorism can not produce any favourable results AS THE BASIS OF TERRORISM CAME FROM INTOLERENCE…. and contrary to Mullahs “Islam” Moto of Ahmadis is “LOVE FOR ALL HATERED FOR NONE” The whole world esp. Mullas of Pakistan need to learn the meaning of “Islam” i.e PEACE.

Nice endeavor!

We the people of subcontinent are so emotional in terms of love, patriotism, religion and other disciplines of life.

In these emotional bonding we forget the rudimentary principle of life and that is “freedom”.

Freedom of faith, freedom of political point of view, freedom of thoughts and so on so forth…

It is the history of religion that whenever God sent messengers to the nation, people started abusing him and his followers, but time had always proved that followers of prophets always grow with the passage of time.

But this truth takes time for the acceptance. Fatawas of Blasphemy could not stop Moses (AS), nor Jesus (AS), neither Muhammad (PBUH) then how can stop Ghulam Ahmed (AS) and his followers.

Arsh is saying that Ahmadis are “Declared non muslim” well all muslims of Pakistan are declared non muslim by eachother many times..for Siahs, Sunnis are Kafir and for Sunnis, Siahs are Kafir…so who is to decide who is Muslim…..only ALLAH ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT…..Can some one tell me the meaning of ” LA IQRAHA FIDDIN”……THE PRINCIPAL OF ISLAM, WHICH IS ADOPTED BY NON-MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD??????

Well done Tanzeel for laying out the facts on the ground without any discrimination. Truth be told. Religion is meant to bring man closer to its creator. Prophets have come to show us the path. It is that simple and pure. Complexities that you see around in Pakistan specially is all Mullah-made. Oh!brethren pray and seek guidance from the All-Knowing. Our country can be the most peaceful place on earth if all of us start to love God; discharge their obligations to our brothers and start to reflect the attributes of Allah(justice,mercy,forgiving..)in our own actions. May Allah have mercy on Pakistan and its innocent masses.Ameen

I completely agree with Tanzeel that a religious establishment, which acts like a corporation in Pakistan, is responsible for this unique law of the world, where a state (or its sinister ministers) consider themselves authorized to declare a gruop of people as Muslims/non-Muslims). The collective wisdom of the all the assembly members who signed this bill and enacted it as a law, can not be more than religious jingoism and trible notions of honor and prestige. Save for a few of them, if any, none of these ministers (including Bhuttos) were good Muslims/Muslims, from a different perspective.

It is ridiculous that the fear of annihilation of faith has pushed the Mullahs so thin that they even don’t tolerate the Ahmedies saying the Islamic greeting of “Salam Alaikum”. In some parts of Punjab, as newspaper reports reveal from time to time, if a Qadiani greets the “Muslim” way, s/he can be arrested by the police. They are also not allowed to keep Quran in their houses or recite it, some reports say.

This is the peak of ignorance, if true. As preachers it is duty of the Muslims to attract people towards the ways of Islam in “pleasent manner”, but what our “brethern in faith” are doing is taking them even farther from the “circle of faith”, that once was an ocean.

Sorry state of affairs and excellent work by Tanzeel.

Assalamo alaikum
while reading all what happened in Pakistan and how Kalima was defaced by Punjab Police in one of Mosque belonged to Ahmadies.
It reminded me towards two Hadith of Holy Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H.
1.Time will come when Mullah will be the worst than animals on the earth (Ulma-E-Suo)will have no sense of Islam but just to de face Islam.
2.There will be 73 sects of Islam and one will be the Accepted(Jannati) to God and other 72 will be rejected(Narei) by God. One of companion of Muhammad P.B.U.H asked how will we differentiate between.He replied, 72 will prove themself we are togather but their hearts and minds will be away from each other and yet, leave one alone and 72 will fight against one to stop them worship Allah.
In aforesaid snareio Pakistani Mullah,s have proved that Ahmadie,s are the one accepted (Jannati)as prophicised by Muhammad P.B.U.H
Now every one can analyz himself where he/she stand as per islamic paltform.

The article is very well-written and comprehensive by Tanzeel. Only I hope that some open-minded and logical people like him come in the Government of Pakistan and put Pakistan on the road of a peacful and welcoming country, leaving these hipocrates somewhere far behind in the history.

I am surprised at the boldness and courage of the writer and the best way I can Thank him is prayers that may Allah give him the strength and more courage to bring the facts in open. Though most of my feelings have already been mentioned before but I like to add, that such acts of intolerance may cause temporary damage and losses but the morals always stays high. We the Ahmaddis may dislike the suystem and the ordinances but as a country we are always attached to. How can I hate a country for which my Father fought two wars and as young student helped in the migartions during Partition.

I wish and pray that may Give Allah give this country people like Tanzeel who could write the facts and give our masses to the ability to read and understand these facts.

Tanzeel,
Congratulations on an intelligently written article. You hsve hit the nail on the head when you write ‘we are not ready to believe in Allah who has taken sole responsibility to save the book and religion till the end.’

Surely those who truely believe in God know that He alone will decide who is right and who is wrong. To persecute Ahmadies because they are supposedly using the ‘copyright’ of ‘authentic’ muslims shows just how fearful their oppressors are of them! Little wonder they felt the need to wear t-shirts with ‘No fear’ written over them.
One shudders at their arrogance and lack of fear of the Almighty watching them destroy His Holy Name and the words of the Kalima! May Allah have mercy on the people of Pakistan and shower His blessings on those brave enough to speak up in defence of Ahmadies.

very nice Mr. Tanzeel. you did what other people couldn’t do. Keep it up.

@arsh

I truly understand and appreciate your sentiments for Islam and I can see that you would not tolerate any “adulteration” to creep into its beliefs to the extent that you justify use of constitutional support to get rid of it as long as it really does.Even I would never like my religion & faith to be “misinterpreted” by someone who calls himself a muslim just like me but differs in concepts esp if I feel the concepts to be damaging my beliefs which I think are right. BUT, how do u know u r right? who do you trust to guide you to whoz right n whoz wrong? Mullahs? Constitutional Resolutions? Ofcourse not!! think for yourself - you advocate taking the support of all possible resources to do away with ahmadis thinking you are right and for the love of your religion,Islam; on the other hand, ahmadis, knowing well the fact that being called an ahmadi muslim in pakistan and reading the Kalimah Shahadah n offering salat in mosque, fasting during ramazan, greeting each other with Assalamoalaikum and doing the acts which muslims are supposed to do would put their lives in utmost danger, still face every kind of hardship and religious torture and pain and they live in pakistan still with firm faith in Kalima Shahadah no matter what and you know y they do this? do you think they gain any worldly benefits and luxuries when they call themselves muslims in pakistan? you know well what they really get for proclaiming the oneness of God and for following Prophet Muhammed (saw) but still an ahmadi mother in pakistan fearless of what the pakistani mullahs might want to say or do to her kids teaches them the same Kalimah Shahadah ” La illaha Illalla Muhammad Rasoolallah” right from their childhood, you know why?? its for the love of Allah, love for the Prophet Muhammad(saw) and love for Islam,her religion as well!!

Now plz tell me, how can you say and judge whoz right and whoz wrong?? one is using all power and force to stop these people for the love of Islam and the other is enduring all the pain and torture again for the love of Islam. Another question automatically arises, who is more superior of the two groups in reality and in the sight of Allah..one who is inflicting the torture in the name of God or the one that is bearing every torture for the sake of God??

You are upset with ahmadis just writing “your” Kalimah on their mosques, & writing the names of Prophet Muhammad (saw) and Allah(swt) on their walls but have you ever thought how deeply and firmly they may be believing in it and imagine when writing of the Kalimah by ahmadis is causing you pain, imagine you are rubbing off and erasing their Kalimah and breaking down into pieces names of Allah and His Prophet who they believe in too right in front of their eyes imagine the pain you are indeed causing them. Even if there is a single soul there which is deeply hurt by this heinous act of religious fanatics and if his sorrow and misery reaches near to God, that is more than enough to draw the wrath of Allah on all such trouble makers and people who support them. Police or civilians whoever they were it doesnt matter for all we know pakistani police are always a part of these cowardly acts either directly or indirectly and they should not feel proud of this disgraceful act. Even though the caption on the video reads as such, ahmadis are actually not helpless. They have put all their trust in Allah and He is their help and inshallah will always be and you dont need anybody other than Allah for your help right??

Mullahs or the constitutional law are NOT custodians of anybody’s faith. No one can intercede between you and your Creator so I request you to please make your prayers to Him, my Lord and your Lord and ask Him for guidance If you are wrong, infact not just ask but beg for guidance in this month of ramazan, esp these last 10 days and If you are right pray to Allah that he keeps you steadfast on the right beliefs so either way you protect yourself in this prayer but the only condition is that your prayers need to be sincere and heart felt and not in pride thinking that you are already guided and are already on the right path. BOTH of the parties claiming do please Allah with their acts CANNOT be RIGHT. Either one is definitely wrong and the wrong one is grievously wrong. Dont go by the mullah just pray n pray for guidance only from Allah, He is the All-Knowing and the best guide. Even for example, you r going to meet a person u never met before but someone else tells you this person u r going to meet is really good/bad you approach this person with already few preconceptions in mind and your initial judgement (till the time you get to know him well enough yourself), would always be in line with what you heard of him from others. This is just human nature and it may very well misguide you sometimes. Judge for yourself always, esp so in matters of faith dont be biased coz TRUTH is INEVITABLE and would remain the TRUTH in all its facets and Truth is associated with Allah and it will always prevail.

And since you mentioned it here, without going into lot of details let me tell you very precisely n curtly, the proceedings of the 1974 law passed against ahmadis in pakistan were NOT made available to the local public for them to read and decide how fair the judgement was. It was all a hushered issue and they right away DECLARED ahmadis as non muslims without disclosing enough of the proceedings coz the matter which was dragged on for so long and attended by 5 of the ahmadis representing the community was so well presented and proved before the parliment that if it was made available to the mass in full length atleast HALF of Pakistan would have become ahmadis then. It was purely a POLITICAL decision taken for personal greeds by the “custodians” of faith then. Not to mention it again here, we all know what was the end of such political leaders of pakistan, one not only fled from pakistan for fear of life but was also later murdered by his own relative and the other was blown to pieces in mid air and till today not a shred of his is available even for it to be buried in pakistan.

Comparing pepsi and cocacola patents with patented rights of Islam and being called muslims is hilarious in itself but seriously its “jahalat ki inteha” to confuse matters of faith with such silly comparisons. Mobile phone as a concept of god was a hilarious example too…make comparisons more close to reality so that it may even help to sought out your own dilemmas even more easily.

However much certain things upset us, please remember you and I or neither the mullahs or the pakistani law is the custodian of anybody’s faith. At the most what we can and are allowed to do is safeguard our own faith and leave everything else to Allah and pray if we find something is going wrong. We should not try to play in matters of faith in pride and haughtiness esp of that wherein we do not possess full knowledge. Islam is Allah’s religion and He will safeguard it from anyone who tries to transgress it.

^^^^
very true…

Tanzeel,

it is so sad that our mind in 21st century is still not enlightened. You wrote an article on human/moralgrounds.
Its surprising to me that why mullas are not ready to give the right to Ahmadis which they themselves are enjoying in all over the world including west.Ahmadis are human beings and have all the rights to practice there religion according to their faith. I will suggest that if mullas are annoyed over ahmadis beliefS, then a OPEN DEBATE ON MEDIA SHOULD BE INITIATED FOR THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN AND AROUND THE WORLD.LETS HAVE A DEBATE AND LEAVE THE REST FOR PEOPLE TO JUGDE. BUT I AM CERTAIN THAT MULLAH WILL NEVER EVER COME FOR THIS, INSTEAD THEY WILL KEEP ON SHOWING THERE INNER HATRED WHICH IS NOT THE TEACHING OF ISLAM AND HOLY PROPHET (PBUH). best regards.

Islam, like all true religions, taught Love, Peace and Tolerance in its beginning. They are the unholy scholars of the latter dark ages who attributed hatred, terrorism and violence towards Islam. The Promised Messiah rejected all sorts of hatred, terrorism and violence in the name of God and that is the main reason why he and his followers are unanimously declared Non-Muslims by the terrorists and the so-called Muslim scholars of this dark age.

Do we see the promise of Allah made in the words, “And thou seest men entering the religion of Allah in troops.”, being fulfilled again in favor of Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam.

LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE

this article is wonderful. thank you for the brave work. May Allah protect you.

This is an awesome read! I commend you Tanzeel for taking up an issue that has taboo status in our society. your article is strong and commanding and based on honest analysis. I wonder how people who erase Kalimas off the earth are forcibly in charge of representing the very same Kalima.. May Allah save Pakistan from hatred and stupidity!

I commend you once again!

Excellent article. Wish more people would speak up like you. if everyone unites together then we can all eradicate world of MULLAH’s and live in a country which Jinnah had envisaged for us. Ameen. May Allah Bless you for you courageness and protect you.

Tanzeel

It is obvious that your article has attracted a huge positive response from people of various faiths and sects.

It would be most interesting to see the actual transcript of the proceedings of the 1974 National Assembly, and not some fabricated booklets and pamphlets published by various extremeist organizations who themselves were a party to the whole henious campagin against Ahamdis. For last thirty five years I have been listening to Ahamdis demanding the original transcript to be made public. Afterall what is the problem that successive governments have failed to fullfill their demand. To me it stinks. It really does seem that there is something which they do not want to publicize. People like Kashif Hafiz & Talkhabaa should not keep reiterating the propoganda about fabricted booklets about the proceedings. They have copy pasted the novels from such publications as if they were present in the assembly themselves.

The simple fact is that Bhutto, after having miserably failed in delivering his original slogan of “Roti, Kapra aur Makaan” , had made his mind up that he needed a new slogan for his next election. And that he got in….. “I have solved the 90 year old problem of Qadiyaniat”!!!. Sadly this so-called service to Allah did not pay-off for him. Allah disgraced him in a way that never a Muslim Head of State has ever been……
HANGED AS A MURDERER!!!.

Tanzeel, in your previlged position, in the name of Islam and for the sanctity of Hadhrat Mohammad s.a.w I would request you to start a campaign to have the actual transcripts released by the government. That is the only way the people of Pakistan will be given the chance to decide for themselves.

Great article. I LOVE YOUR ANALOGY OF THE “CORPORIZATION OF ISLAM” BY THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRAINWASH YOUNGSTERS TO BE THE SUICIDE BOMBERS. BRAINWASHING INNOCENT MASSES AGAINST A CONTROVERSIAL SECT IS MUCH EASIER FOR THESE MANIPULATING, TWISTED-MINDED, BLOOD-THIRSTY MURDERERS.
GOD HELP OUR GREAT NATION. AMEEN.

NASEER (A SIMPLE MUSLIM)

Excellent Article. Insha Allah Pakistanis will open their eyes one day and realize this. Copyright logic presented by Mullahs is entirely bogus. If Muslims cannot allow their shiair to be used by non-muslims, then what about God, Jesus AS, and other prophets. Quran describes Shirk as the biggest sin, yet Muslima allow christians to do Shirk every day, why not these Mullahs raise a sword against the christians and stop them from using the name of Jesus. May be Christians can start calling someone else as son of God, but not Jesus. And this absurd application of copyright logic will not stop anywhere short of Adam AS.

Naseer Ahmad has a point! Tanzeel let’s start a campaign to get the original proceedings disclosed!!

Salam to Tanzil.
You have done justice to a problem, which is a creation of Illiterate Mullah of 14th. centuary. May Almighty Allah shower his all blessing on you. Salam, Salam, Salam to Tanzil, you are a fearless soldier of Islam.

The Pakistani Mullahs and Mr Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, jointly fulfilled a Profecy of Hazrat Muhammad(saw) as narrated in the Hadith, that a time will come when Imam Mehdi will appear (in fourteenth Centuary)and Mullahs of that time will be the worst creation on the earth at that time. Thank you Parliment of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. When you took the decision of calling Ahmadis as non-muslims, unknowingly, you just fullfilled the words of that Hadith. This decision clearly declared that as per statement of this Hadith, that all Muslim sects are basically food for Hell and only one sect of Ahmadiyya is destined for Heaven. This further clarifies why Mullah want to deface Kalimah from the Ahmadiyya Mosques and houses, because basically, they do not believe in Hazrat Muhammad (saw) and Islam. They do not want that Islam should Flourish in this world. They never read Quran and do not understand the meaning of Quran. If they new that Quran’s order is “No Force for Religion”.
They should never have done crimes against a peacful community of Ahmadiyya. We can only Pray for these Mullah, May God Almighty teach these Mullahs the Holy Quran, the last Book of Guidance.

May I ask a Question, Where is Imam Mehdi, who has to come in 14th. centuary. Now 15th centuary is running. Are all the Hadith, which foretold, the comming of Imam Mehdi are all False. Hazrat Muhammad (saw)sent Salam to this Imam Mehdi. Why Hazrat Muhammad(saw) sent Salam to this Imam Mehdi, if he has not to come.
Oh! Non Ahmadi Muslims tell me where is this Imam Mehdi. You know very well, that Imam Mehdi has come, but as you rejected him, Almighty God took away all the senses from you, you are wondering in darkness and your actions are disgracing the Islam, this is the religion for all Mankind. How you can stop anybody not writing Kalimah and reciting Quran. You have become wild Animals due to the depression of rejection of the Imam of the Time. Open your eyes and ask for forgiveness from The God Almighty.
Ahmadis do believe in Muhammad(saw) as Last Prophet. What Mullah fail to understand is that Hazrat Muhammad’s(saw) Last Spritual Law (teaching) are so powerful that any body who acts on them completely, God Promises Inaam for those in Surah Fatiha. The Inaam listed in the Quran includes ‘Nabi’, the prophethood. The muslim scholars have explained this point that Imam Mehdi will be a Prophet. So, everything is in accordance with the Prophesies of Hazrat Muhammad(saw) and writings of earlier Muslim Scholars. All the literate Mullahs, know this. They have no courage to have a peacful dialogue with Ahmadis. Ahmadiyya Moto is “LOVE FOR ALL AND HATRED FOR NONE”. Ahmadies do not believe in Force, they have a complete Faith in Living Powerful God. On the other hand Mullahs believe in force and there hands are always busy in creating destruction. Because they do not believe in the power of Allah. Actually, their actions show that they do not believe in Allah at all.
Remember that “Will of God will prevail” and not the will of these non believer Mullahs. What happened to the non believers of Prophets, Quran tells in details, open and read it, you will find the answer. Now, the whole world is crying that Quran do not teach what todays Muslims are doing. I pray for all Muslims, May Allah Almighty forgive their sins and guide them to the Path of Believers, who have always remained successful.
As far Ahmadis are concerned, they have the support of Allah, which can be seen that it is more than 100 years that they are on the road of success, They are growing with a fast speed. No Religion of world can stand in front of them, because they preach the religion of Muhammad(saw), the Last Prophet of the History of Religions. Now, any body can attain the status of prophethood by completely following the road as Last Teaching Brought by Muhammad(saw). So, He is the liberator. He is a Blessing for whole Mankind. He is the Last Prophet in Quality. All earlier and any later Prophets need his blessing.
Last of all My prayers for Tanzil, a fearless and true soldier of Islam.
Wassalam,
Ayaz N.

Dear All,

Thanks for the appreciation, I am really glad to see such a great and motivating response from you people. I will surely keep writing and highlighting problems of oppressed Pakistanis regardless of whatever caste, creed and sect they belong to.

In fact I can see lots of logical responses here substantiated with references, I request you guys to be a regular member of this site and have your say. We would love to read every side’s point of view open mindedly.

Thanks for your great comments again.

Do not mix the rights with the Faith of Islam. Islam gives the rights to minorities. But if one threatens the existence of Islam from inside or out, Islam must be defended.

Qadiyanis are Kafirs and there is Ijma in the Muslim Ummah on this.

Reason is simple, any one who refutes that Muhammad is not the Seal of the Prophethood is munkar-e-Quran and Munkar-e- Ahkam-i- Khuda. Any one who says that Jesus Christ PBUH was not born of a miracle birth but instead was born through illegal and immoral relation ship b/t Mary and Jospeh (illiazabillah) is munkar-e-Quran (denier of Quran)- consiously or unconsiously.

For the sake of the rights of Qadianis, they should stop calling their temples “Mosques” and they should stop acting like Muslims, because they are not.

Ulema has nothing to do with the basics of Islam. The principles of Islam is clear and is established.

Umar ibn al-Khattaab, rahimahullaah, said:
“There is no excuse for anyone going astray thinking that he is upon guidance. Nor for abandoning guidance thinking it to be misguidance, since the affairs have been made clear, the proof established and the excuse cut off.”

“Qadiyanis are Kafirs and there is Ijma in the Muslim Ummah on this.”

@Hamara Pakistan:

If they are Kafir/ Minority then why you are afraid of preaching their point of view as per constitution ? Jinnah and our constitution have allowed minorities to preach and practice their religion, why you are afraid of Ahmedis if you your sect is right ?

If they want they can preach and that is all on the Enforcement authority.

Preaching and pretending are two different things.

Qadiyanis don’t preach they make other muslims fool by pretending to be Muslims and that is the problem.

BUT
if they are preaching that Jesus is “Ba***d and other retarded stuff then what the students did in train half a decade ago which started Khatm Nubuwwat Movement at a national scale is completely valid.

Preaching is also different from Cursing Humiliating and being Blashpemous (if that can be said in English).

“Qadiyanis are Kafirs and there is Ijma in the Muslim Ummah on this.”

Every sect is considered Kafir by the rest and their is Ijma on this.

I would like to draw your attention to these quotes from Punjab Government Report on 1953 Anti-Ahmadiyya riots;

Keeping view the several different definitions given by the ulama, need we make any comment except that no two learned divines are agreed on this fundamental. If we attempt our own definition as each learned divine has done and that definition differs from that given by all others, we unanimously go out of the fold of Islam. And if we adopt the definition given by any one of the Ulama, we remain Muslims according to the view of that alim, but kafirs according to the definitions of everyone else.

(Page 215, 218)

…and

The net result of all this is that neither Shias nor Sunnis nor Deobandis nor Ahl-i-Hadith nor Barelvis are Muslims and any change from one view to the other must be accompanied in an Islamic State with the penalty of death if the Government of the State is in the hands of the party which considers the other party to be kafirs. And it does not require much imagination to judge of the consequences of this doctrine when it is remembered that no two ulama have agreed before us as to the definition of a Muslim.

(Page 219)

Both quotes from here;

Report on riots of 1953 (English)
thepersecution.org/dl/report_1953.pdf

Report on riots of 1953 (Urdu)
thepersecution.org/dl/MunirReport.pdf

Preaching and pretending are two different things.

Qadiyanis don’t preach they make other muslims fool by pretending to be Muslims and that is the problem.

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What other sects do ? Do they only preach ? What about us ? We not only pretend but even kill people just because they don’t want to implement our way of Islam i.e Taliban. You have already seen the Swat episode, what they were doing ? They preaching only ? What Tableeghi Jamaat do ? they preach you only or pretend to follow their set of beliefs ? but if Ahmedis preach or even pretend you are against them ? At least they are far more better than the your Taliban who try to inject their version of Islam through gun, I wonder why no one in assembly raised his voice against Talibani set of beliefs, if you think Taliban are wrong then why dont you call them Non Muslims as well ? What Islam speak about the ones who kill in the name of religion or try to impose his views through gun ?

if they are preaching that Jesus is “Ba***d and other retarded Preaching is also different from Cursing Humiliating and being Blashpemous (if that can be said in English).

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They never abused Jesus go and ask their point of view first or I would ask some Ahmedi here to come forward and clear this guy’s misconception.

You talk about humiliating or cursing, what about Shias who humiliate or curse your Sahabas and Hazrat Ayesha RA?

@hamara pakistan/Kashif
I truly understand and appreciate your sentiments for Islam and I can see that you would not tolerate any “adulteration” to creep into its beliefs to the extent that you justify use of constitutional support to get rid of it as long as it really does.Even I would never like my religion & faith to be “misinterpreted” by someone who calls himself a muslim just like me but differs in concepts esp if I feel the concepts to be damaging my beliefs which I think are right. BUT, how do u know u r right? who do you trust to guide you to whoz right n whoz wrong? Mullahs? Constitutional Resolutions? Ofcourse not!! think for yourself - you advocate taking the support of all possible resources to do away with ahmadis thinking you are right and for the love of your religion,Islam; on the other hand, ahmadis, knowing well the fact that being called an ahmadi muslim in pakistan and reading the Kalimah Shahadah n offering salat in mosque, fasting during ramazan, greeting each other with Assalamoalaikum and doing the acts which muslims are supposed to do would put their lives in utmost danger, still face every kind of hardship and religious torture and pain and they live in pakistan still with firm faith in Kalima Shahadah no matter what and you know y they do this? do you think they gain any worldly benefits and luxuries when they call themselves muslims in pakistan? you know well what they really get for proclaiming the oneness of God and for following Prophet Muhammed (saw) but still an ahmadi mother in pakistan fearless of what the pakistani mullahs might want to say or do to her kids teaches them the same Kalimah Shahadah ” La illaha Illalla Muhammad Rasoolallah” right from their childhood, you know why?? its for the love of Allah, love for the Prophet Muhammad(saw) and love for Islam,her religion as well!!

Now plz tell me, how can you say and judge whoz right and whoz wrong?? one is using all power and force to stop these people for the love of Islam and the other is enduring all the pain and torture again for the love of Islam. Another question automatically arises, who is more superior of the two groups in reality and in the sight of Allah..one who is inflicting the torture in the name of God or the one that is bearing every torture for the sake of God??

You are upset with ahmadis just writing “your” Kalimah on their mosques, & writing the names of Prophet Muhammad (saw) and Allah(swt) on their walls but have you ever thought how deeply and firmly they may be believing in it and imagine when writing of the Kalimah by ahmadis is causing you pain, imagine you are rubbing off and erasing their Kalimah and breaking down into pieces names of Allah and His Prophet who they believe in too right in front of their eyes imagine the pain you are indeed causing them. Even if there is a single soul there which is deeply hurt by this heinous act of religious fanatics and if his sorrow and misery reaches near to God, that is more than enough to draw the wrath of Allah on all such trouble makers and people who support them. Police or civilians whoever they were it doesnt matter for all we know pakistani police are always a part of these cowardly acts either directly or indirectly and they should not feel proud of this disgraceful act. Even though the caption on the video reads as such, ahmadis are actually not helpless. They have put all their trust in Allah and He is their help and inshallah will always be and you dont need anybody other than Allah for your help right??

Mullahs or the constitutional law are NOT custodians of anybody’s faith. No one can intercede between you and your Creator so I request you to please make your prayers to Him, my Lord and your Lord and ask Him for guidance If you are wrong, infact not just ask but beg for guidance in this month of ramazan, esp these last 10 days and If you are right pray to Allah that he keeps you steadfast on the right beliefs so either way you protect yourself in this prayer but the only condition is that your prayers need to be sincere and heart felt and not in pride thinking that you are already guided and are already on the right path. BOTH of the parties claiming do please Allah with their acts CANNOT be RIGHT. Either one is definitely wrong and the wrong one is grievously wrong. Dont go by the mullah just pray n pray for guidance only from Allah, He is the All-Knowing and the best guide. Even for example, you r going to meet a person u never met before but someone else tells you this person u r going to meet is really good/bad you approach this person with already few preconceptions in mind and your initial judgement (till the time you get to know him well enough yourself), would always be in line with what you heard of him from others. This is just human nature and it may very well misguide you sometimes. Judge for yourself always, esp so in matters of faith dont be biased coz TRUTH is INEVITABLE and would remain the TRUTH in all its facets and Truth is associated with Allah and it will always prevail.

And since you mentioned it here, without going into lot of details let me tell you very precisely n curtly, the proceedings of the 1974 law passed against ahmadis in pakistan were NOT made available to the local public for them to read and decide how fair the judgement was. It was all a hushered issue and they right away DECLARED ahmadis as non muslims without disclosing enough of the proceedings coz the matter which was dragged on for so long and attended by 5 of the ahmadis representing the community was so well presented and proved before the parliment that if it was made available to the mass in full length atleast HALF of Pakistan would have become ahmadis then. It was purely a POLITICAL decision taken for personal greeds by the “custodians” of faith then. Not to mention it again here, we all know what was the end of such political leaders of pakistan, one not only fled from pakistan for fear of life but was also later murdered by his own relative and the other was blown to pieces in mid air and till today not a shred of his is available even for it to be buried in pakistan.

Comparing pepsi and cocacola patents with patented rights of Islam and being called muslims is hilarious in itself but seriously its “jahalat ki inteha” to confuse matters of faith with such silly comparisons. Mobile phone as a concept of god was a hilarious example too…make comparisons more close to reality so that it may even help to sought out your own dilemmas even more easily.

However much certain things upset us, please remember you and I or neither the mullahs or the pakistani law is the custodian of anybody’s faith. At the most what we can and are allowed to do is safeguard our own faith and leave everything else to Allah and pray if we find something is going wrong. We should not try to play in matters of faith in pride and haughtiness esp of that wherein we do not possess full knowledge. Islam is Allah’s religion and He will safeguard it from anyone who tries to transgress it.

[...] Copyright gives the author of an original work exclusive right for a certain time period in relation to that work, including its publication, distribution and adaptation, after which time the work is said to enter the public domain. Readers must be surprised to see the implementation of copyright concept in the religion of truth revealed by Allah that actually has no connection with materialism but it

Well spoken!

to All who replied to me.

Al-Quran.
33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the “Seal” of the prophets. And Allah is ever Knower of all things.

Muhammad P.B.U.H was the last messenger and after him not even a single person count as messenger or sub-ordinate to him.
ONE ALLAH, LAST PROPHET P.B.U.H and All of his believers.

Quran has self speak against all of Ahmadis or so called after birth prophets !

So called “Muslims” need to understand only one verse of Quran……”La Iqraha fiddin”…that thier is no pushing or punishment when it comes to following any religion….No JABAR IN RELIGION..If non Ahmadis understand only this verse, they probably gain some of respect back and will probably not be called Jihadis, Talibaans, or terrorists.

Arsh, because you and other billions of muslims are waiting for Jesus to come back, who will bring bible back to earth, as he would have been Issah ibne marriam, YOU HAVE BROKEN THE SEAL OF PROPHET…As per your believe Issah (as) will come back, SO YOU ARE MUNKARE-KHATME-NABUWAAT,,,Ahmadis believe Hazrat Mirza Sahib (AS) as an Ummati of OUR BELOVED PROPHET (PBUM), the SEAL OF ALL THE PROPHETS.

Muslims of Pakistan who are persecuting Ahmadis, please ponder over this my humble question: Does Allah help those who are liars? If Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as)and his followers are false why have they flourihed and spread in all continents of the world and gaining recognition by many meaningful people of the world, whilst you, who call yourself castodians of the religion of Allah are in such a state of mess ?

Calling Shair-E-Islam as copy write seems such a bogus statement. These Mullahs seems like want to paralyze Islam (Nauz Billah) as what they think is Islam and nothing else is biggest KUFFAR itself. In fact these mullahs are only worried about Ahmadis, because they know that Ahmadis are presenting actual face of Islam to mankind and they might lose power and might lose bread & butter which they are getting while fooling people around. In fact they might be getting paid to Abuse Islam.
In this present age all non Muslims also believe that Islam is religion of peace, tollerance, brotherhood and all acts of goodies.
I have no idea where these mullahs got this kind of education which is not even closer to the glory of Islam.
Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW) never ever teached to kill innocents. He never hatred anybody. He always loved every one regardless of color, race, and religion and above all he invited non Muslims and had lunch/dinner with them.
I request all mullahs please if you do not like Islamic teaching get aside and let innocent people decide what to do as everybody has right of freedom, But do not DEFACE or present Islam as of your own evil desires or your own dirty thinking’s.
Please go and say (ISTAGHFAR many times) may Allah forgive you as he likes forgiving as we were told by Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW)
DO NOT THINK YOUR SELF AS ISLAMIC CONTRACTORS.
DON’T you know ALLAH IS SUFFICENT FOR MANKIND and ALL KNOWING? Try to believe in ALLAH. Try to understand Islam. Try to open your mind and do not think like frogs of well.
Thanks every one.
I am sorry if I heart someone’s feelings but I do not care about those who try to deface Islam.

It is time now to counter so called custodians of Islamic Corporation, religious extremist and Mullah Mafia; who have paralyzed the moderate face of Pakistan. Qadianis are also human beings and they are also Pakistanis.

ALL OF U PLS STOP FIGHTING ON RELIGIOUS ISSUES CAN SOME ONE TELL ME HOW IS THE WEATHER IN LAS VEGAS TODAY.

Erasing Kalima from Ahmadi mosque has become an issue, now. I agree that when Non muslims say that there is non worthy of worship except Allah. What is wrong with that? When non Muslims say that Mohammad is His messenger, what is wrong with it?
Now, ther is one blame left that Ahmadis look like Muslims and that is why real Muslims are confused. It reminds me of the leader of They are non-Muslims only due to a political decisions. we don’t see the Holy Prophet declaring anybodya non-muslim who says I am muslim. Leave it to God. What I see Ahmadis, when they want to serve the country, they are rejected (like Dr. Abdussalam). The sholarly people know it very well but those who don’t think, they start following the mullahs of this time.

Tanzeel
For record purposes and for the benEfit of all those who believe that when a person declares his faith he cannot believe in one thing and say the opposite. I HEREBY INFORM YOU THAT I AM AN AHMADI AND I BELIVE MYSELF TO BE MUSLIM AS PER MY FOLLOWING BELIEFS:

1. I BELIEVE THAT ALLHA THE ALL KNOWING THE MERCIFULL IS ONE AND HE HAS NO PARTNER.
2 I BELEIVE THAT THE HOLY QURAN IS THE WORD OF ALLHA ALMIGHTY WHICH HE REVEALED UPON HIS RASOOL AND MOST BELOVED OF ALL MANKIND HADHRAT MOHAMMAD SALLALAHO ALAIHE WASSALM , THROUGH JIBRAEEL ALAIHISSLAM.
3. I BELIEVE THAT THE HOLY QURAN IS THE LAST AND FINAL WORD OF GOD FOR HIS MANKIND AND ITS EACH AND EVERY WORD IS FULLY AND UNCONDITIONALLY VALID TILL THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.
3.I BELEIVE IN FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM AND TRY MY UTMOST TO FULLFILL ALL OBLIGATIONS OF KALIMA TAYYABAH, SALAAT, SAUM, ZAKAT AND HAJJ. WHEN I RECITE KALIMA TAYYABAH I ONLY AND ONLY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART MEAN TO SAY THAT ALLAH IS ONE AND PROPHET MOHAMM S.A.W SON OF ABDULLAH AND AMINA, IS ALLAH’S MESSENGER and KHATAMUN NABIYEEN. THERE IS NOT EVEN NAUZOBILLAH SLIGHTEST OF THOUGHT OR SENSE OF HAVING ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING IN MY MIND AND HEART, INCLUDING MIRZA GHULAM AHMED OF QADIAN, WHILE RECITING MY KALIMA TAYYABAH.
4. I BELIEVE IN ANGELS AND 124 THOUSNAD PROHETS ALLAH HAS SENT TO MANKIND.
5. I FULLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY BELIEVE THAT HADRAHT MOHAMMAD WAS THE SEAL OF PROPHETS, THE FINAL AND LAST OF THE LAW BEARING PROPHETS.
6.I BELIEVE THAT ALL PROPHETS BEFORE HIM WERE TRUE MESSENGERS OF ALLAH INCLUDING HADHRAT ESAA ALAIHISSLAM AND WE FULLY HONOUR HIM AND RESPECT HIM JUST AS WE DO HADRAT IBRAHIM, MOOSA, DAOOD, ISHAQ ETC ETC….

7. I RECITE QURAN AS MUCH AS I CAN AND READ HADITH AND SUNNAH OF HDHRAT MOHAMMAD S.A.W AND TRY TO FOLLOW AND PRACTICE AS MUCH AS A SINFUL PERSON LIKE ME CAN DO.

I AM A BORN MEMBER OF AHMDIYYA JAMMAT AND I KNOW THAT THESE EXACTLY ARE THE BELIEFS OF ALL AHMADIS.

Tanzeel now if anybody says i am not a Muslim then he may do, I have my Imaan for Allah not for some politically motivated group of misguided, extremist Mullahs.

THE FACT IS THAT THE ENEMIES OF AHMADIYYAT CONSISTENTLY MISQUOTE, MISREPRESENT AND PRODUCE WORDS OUT OF OUR BOOKS CLEVERLY MANIPULATINGLY AND COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT, TO MAKE THEM SOUND ABSOLUTLEY UNISLAMIC AND SEEMINGLY HORRENDOUS….. JUST LIKE SOME IDIOT IS SAYING THAT NAUZOBILLAH MIRZA SAHIB SWORE ABOUT HADHRAT EESA ALLAIHISSLAM.

HOWVER, DR JAVED IQBAL son of Allama Iqbal, SAID IN DR SHAHID MASOOD’S PROGRAMME THAT MIRZA SAHIB ALONE FOUGHT THE CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES CRUSADE IN INDIA ON BEHALF OF ISLAM AND EVEN A MULLAH LIKE DR ISRAR AGREED THAT OTHER ULEMA DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLDGE AT THAT TIME SO MIRZA SB DID THE JOB OF DEFENDING ISLAM. PLEASE SEE THE CLIP ON YOUTUBE YOURSELF.

The one differnec between Ahmadis and the other Muslims is that we do not give Hadhrat Esa (Jesus Christ) some ex-human status, the same status because of which christians regard him as son of God. WE refute that whemently that anybody may that be Jesus, can have a status so extra-ordinary outside the normality of human creation, that he can ascend to Allah in his skin and flesh physical form. Tnazeel by saying that we are being a party to that “SHIRK” of Christians….arent we? to say that Allah nauzobillah gave a higher status to Hadhrat Esaa allaihisslam even more than our beloved MOhsin-e-Insaniyat, Khatmur Rosal, Fakhar-ul-Anbiyaa Hadrat Mohammad sallalho alaihe wassalam, that He raise Jesus to Himself physically with his worldly body, whilst Prohet Mohammd s.a.w. had to pass away like all the rest of us.

MOreover in this day and age we all know there IS NO physical AASMAN, or heavens or wherever these people think Jesus has been taken to and is living in his same physical body for 200 years. It defies the very nature of Alla’s system.

On the other hand we believe that Jesus died a normal death just like all other prophets and human beings. Hadhrat Mohammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him prophesised that there will be a second coming of Jesus. We belive that it will be metophoric, in the sense that the Promised Jesus or Messiah will carry the qualities of Jesus BUT WITHIN THE TEACHINGS OF THE HOLY QURAN AND AHADITH AND SUNNAH. HE WILL REAFFIRM AND REESTABLISH THE TEACHINGS OF HOLY QURAN AND PROHET MOHAMMD S.A.W TO THE LETTER, NOTHING ELSE. HE WILL BE NOTHING….NOTHING AT ALL IN HIMSELF …HE WILL BE WHATEVER HE IS PURELY AND PRISTINLEY THROUGH FOLLOWING AND PROPOGATING THE TEACHINGS OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD S.A.W.

I wish your readers would for a moment read some of the Arabic qaseedahs and Na’ats Mirza sb has written in praise of Prohet Mohammd s.a.w., I challeneg any of these so-called ulemas to write with that eloquence and quality.

I WOULD ONLY ASK THESE PEOPLE LIKE TAKHABAA AND OTHERS…PLEASE DO NOT TELL US WHAT WE BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS. ONLY ALLAH KNOWS WHATS IN HERATS, NOT HUMANS. PLEASE DO NOT COMMIT SHRK AND TRY TO BE ALLAH.

AND PLZ DO NOT DISTORT, MISREPRESENT AND MISQUOTE OUT OF CONTEXT, THE WRITINGS OF MIRZA SAHIB. ALLAH IS WATCHING YOU….!!!!
SORRY TANZEEL I TOOK A LOT OF YOUR TIME BUT IT WAS ESSENTIAL MORE SO FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE THAN THOSE WHO ARE “SUMMUM, BUKMUN, FAHUM LA YARRJE OON.”

IN MY ARTICLE ABOVE I MEANT TO WRITE “2000 YEARS” RAHTER THAN 200YRS. sorry. mistype

Very well said Mr Naseer.

@arsh

Even Ahmadis read the same Quran and believe in every letter and word of it to be the truth from Allah. If only these discussion forums dont excite you and if u r really interested to know what the ayats mean I recommend you to visit any nearby ahmadiyya mosque and get in touch with a murabbi/missionary sb there.Or,visit the official website http://www.alislam.org & find out for yourself. If even this is not possible send in your postal address inshallah the reading material will be delivered to you but the initial effort should be initiated by you & all this is if you are really interested in knowing what ahmadis understand the same ayat to be indicating BUT if only these discussion forums are your main interest and it is not to know the truth but just aimlessly argue there is no point to it. You need to have knowledge of both things before you judge between the two and as I said before,2 opposing views cannot both b right one is definitely wrong so be unbiased,ask Allah for guidance & examine for yourself. Ahmadis have nothing to hide and even on this forum each of them writing here will be able to give an explicit explanation but again, its like spoonfeeding which helps only kids & whats the fun of these discussion forums if it does not ignite the urge in you to find out y ahmadis differ,what exactly is their real belief and is the mullah v trusted blindly all these yrs is right or wrong??? Time & again ahmadis have repeated again n again that ahmadiyyat is being wrongly presented by these mullahs so y dont u find out for yourself..show some genuine interest to know what is true and inshallah Allah will most surely help you. Donot in your adamancy think that you are right but, examine evrything and with help of Allah and your prayers decide what is right. Please note here,I’m requesting you again & again to just pray and ask only Allah for guidance not anybody else even if it were an ahmadi murabbi/missionary or even any other mullah coz no one can help you if Allah doesnt. But yes,with an open mind examine literature of both sides and decide coz this is just 1 life we have got to be right, you cannot afford to waste this chance to be wrong.

Allah helps those who help themselves and these are not merely words but a promise by Allah taala…you take a step towards Him, He takes 10 towards you, you walk towards Him, He runs towards you so plz help yourself first to knowing the truth and inshallah Allah will help you. Discussion forums are okay to an extent but beyond a point for some people it becomes more like a debating platform in continuum and they like taking pride only to prove how they are right and how argumentatively good they can be forgetting the core issue that the whole point was to help each other towards whats right and not just an endless argument..for that either parties should pool in personal efforts in private with the help of God, hidden from these discussion forums and do justice to their ownselves. I posted a really long comment only for you above, i’m not sure if you read it but one thing I would like to say about you is that though adamantly repulsive, I appreciate your concern to safeguard Islamic beliefs in its most true form and even I share this common passion for Islam & I also noticed that even while speaking about hinduism, though the mobile example was illogical, you were not abusive like most others do. Alhamdulillah this is a nice thing I liked in your posts. Just one more say, Islam is the only true religion on earth and Allah is its guardian, we are only the soldiers fighting for it but we cannot take any law in our hands which goes against the laws of The Holy Quran and against what Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) taught us. There is no compulsion in religion whatsoever and you cannot use power and force to transform someones religious beliefs. Beyond a point all decisions lie only with Allah. Force & power against ahmadis did no good to pakistan in the last 100 yrs but in turn, ahmadis grew in no. n in their faith Alhamdulillah and remained steadfast to the Kalimah Shahadah inspite of being the oppressed ones. And on the other hand we all know what is the state of pakistan today. I hope you will inshallah be sincere in your efforts in searching for the truth and remember its not a cake walk to walk on the these paths and to choose to live lifes of hardship like for ahmadis in pakistan unless you are really inspired by the truth and do it only for the sake of Allah, then He gives all the courage. Inshallah I will pray for you too..

I think even if the Mullahs insist on branding and patenting Islam, they should do it according to the description and definition explicitly given by the Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) of Islam who said: “The one who declares that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and who rejects what is worshiped save Allah, his life and property becomes worthy of respect.”

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) also said: “A person who prays like us and faces our Qibla, eats what we slaughter, is a Muslim. God and His Prophet has taken the responsibility of such a person, do not disrespect him.”

And to those who say Ahmadis only pretend to say our kalimah but in their hearts they don’t: ONLY GOD knows what is in someone’s heart!

What a great article. I wish there are more like you and Mubashir Lucman. I admire your guts for saying the naked truth.

Naseer I understood your point.

Thanx Tanzeel. One thing I forgot to mention in “OUR BELIEFS”, was that the Ahmadiyya Jammat generally follows the “Hanfee” fiqah, within the Islamic jurisprudence.

Let us assume for this discussion that the Ahamdis are indeed what the mullahs of today say they are, out of the pale of Islam.

One need not be a scholar of Islamic jurisprudence to decipher weather the treatment of the Ahmadi community in Pakistan is justified or not. If you consider your self a Muslim (of any type)ask your self the following question:

If Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was to return back to earth today and had to discharge his judgment on the Ahmadiyya case, what would his ruling be? Would it be to persecute and kill them OR protect their religious rights?

Can any fair minded Muslim ever imagine the most beloved Prophet of Allah acting in a similar fashion towards the Ahmadis as the mullahs of today are (Nauzubillah)?!

Of course not! Just the thought of that is utterly vile. How can it be possible that the most beloved prophet of Allah would want his people to do to others today what he NEVER did in his own lifetime?!

Those who tortured him and his followers, schemed to kill him and his followers, who pelted him with stones, who uttered every obscenity towards him should surely have been treated in the same manner as the Kafir Ahmadis of today?! Right?…WRONG?!

To the amazement of today’s mullahs, the prophet forgave all of them upon his conquest. He declared them to be free and protected under Islam to lead their lives and practice their religions as they pleased.

So, if our beloved prophet (PBUH) did not behave in such a manner himself during his own lifetime, who gives these “so called” Muslims of today the right to do so?

to All who replied to me.

Al-Quran.
33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the “Seal” of the prophets. And Allah is ever Knower of all things.

Muhammad P.B.U.H was the last messenger and after him not even a single person count as messenger or sub-ordinate to him.
ONE ALLAH, LAST PROPHET P.B.U.H and All of his believers.

Quran has self speak against all of Ahmadis or so called after birth prophets !

Posted by arsh | September 13, 2009, 4:16 pm

Many Muslim scholars believe a prophet can come. So Ahmadi belief that a prophet (non-law bearing)can come, is nothing new or unique.

Maulana Qasim Nanutwi – founder of Darulaloom Deoband:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sw6Qyqjh04

Muhyuddin Ibn Arabi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjXYoX7l1zM

Nobody calls above two non-Muslims for their beliefs.

Following scholars also believe that a prophet (non-law bearing) can come;

Mawlana Rumi, Ibn Arabi, Hazrat Imam Abu Ja’far Sadiq, Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah Muhaddith of Dehli, Hazrat Maulana Faranghi Mahal, Imam Raghib, Muhammad Qasim Nanotwi

References can be seen here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_the_Prophets

About Deletion of all my comments

“yahan to qadam qadam par lagay hain pehray”

U just want to read & listen what u want

Ridiculous

Thank you, Mr. Tanzeel for discussing the undiscussable. I am a Canadian, turned Ahmadi. I find it so strange to be called a Qadiani when I have never been to Qadian. And to look at me with my hijab on, you would assume I am a Muslim. But, if I walk into an Ahmadi mosque, non-Ahmadi Muslims feel free to erase the kalima revealed to the Holy Prophet, pbuh, from my mosque. And then arrest me if I say “Assalam o alaikum” anyone can have me arrested for “posing as a Muslim.”

There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind that the abuser is the one who is wrong, not the one who is abused.

Kashif, don’t create an issue here. None of your comment is deleted. All your comments including your blog address is still there.

Muslims are waiting for the returning of Isa ibn Maryam (Jesus Christ) and he will come as a Ummati of Muhammad SAW. If you have believed in the message of brought by Muhammad then you would have known it. Thus Muslims are not munkar-e-Khatm-e-Nubuwwat but in fact Qadiyanis are as can be witnessed by going through the verses of Quran and Ahadith of Muhammad the Seal of Prophethood.

You guys ignorance are at the peak in defending the Faith and aqaid of Qadianism that you have lost the distinction b/w the Difference of Opinion and the border line that makes one Kafir.

Any one who denies the Onnes of God, The Prophethood of Muhammad or any other prophets and Messengers came before Muhammad, any of the books and Tablets revealed to Messengers including and before Muhammed in Kafir.

Any one who denies the Seal of Prophethood of Muhammad, that Quran is not authentic, that Quran is not a word of God is a Kafir.

Islam has been established. Qadianis will not be given a freedomn to change it, not until Muslims are alive. If they want to leave peacefully they should accept their rights as Minorities because thats what they are, they are not in Islam.

@ Allison Knight

There are Jews in Yemen who look like Muslims. If you go there and see them you won’t be able to recognize them by their dress or by their language.

So what does that mean. That means that if you (Qadianis) are so culturally integrated into the culture of Muslim, then that is not a problem. The problem lies in your (Qadianis)determination to be Muslims when they are not. Why there in no so much fuss about Bahais. After all they were persecuted regarding their believes in Iran too????????

BUt why they are not having problems in Pakistan or in the Western Muslim societies. Read the Bahai texts and you will find references to Quran in their “Holy Texts” but it is not a big thing because Bahai do not call themselves Muslims.

Bahai belive Muhammad as a Prophet too but they don’t say Jesus was a Ba****d. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani did and so their ‘Khulafa.’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk28VTzEjjE&feature=related

“The problem lies in your (Qadianis)determination to be Muslims when they are not.”

Ahmadis are Muslim, so your dilemma solved. Now relax.

“Bahai belive Muhammad as a Prophet too but they don’t say Jesus was a Ba****d. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani did and so their ‘Khulafa.’”

This is a complete lie. What more can one say if this is your standard (or rather lack of it) of honesty. Not that it’s a surprise for an anti-Ahmadiyya to come completely lying about Ahmadis. I would like to remind Islam forbids lying, however, I feel it would make little difference owning to previous experience. If you would like to give a reference feel free but please do not do the old trick of quoting only one or two sentences out of context.

“Muslims are waiting for the returning of Isa ibn Maryam (Jesus Christ) and he will come as a Ummati of Muhammad SAW.” If you have believed in the message of brought by Muhammad then you would have known it. Thus Muslims are not munkar-e-Khatm-e-Nubuwwat but in fact Qadiyanis are as can be witnessed by going through the verses of Quran and Ahadith of Muhammad the Seal of Prophethood.”

You have seen above what credible scholars of Islam (non-Ahmadi) take those verses to mean. None of these scholars have been declared non-Muslim by other authentic scholars. So this is an open and shut case.

“You guys ignorance are at the peak in defending the Faith and aqaid of Qadianism that you have lost the distinction b/w the Difference of Opinion and the border line that makes one Kafir. “

Unless you can prove that Maulana Qasim Nanutwi, Ibn-Arabi and others have been declared kafir for their beliefs which are same as those of Ahmadis then you are merely twisting facts and making up stuff.

“Any one who denies the Onnes of God, The Prophethood of Muhammad or any other prophets and Messengers came before Muhammad, any of the books and Tablets revealed to Messengers including and before Muhammed in Kafir.”

Ahmadis believe all this so they are authentic Muslims even by your standard.

“Any one who denies the Seal of Prophethood of Muhammad, that Quran is not authentic, that Quran is not a word of God is a Kafir.”

If by Seal you mean Last then prove it!!!! Go through all the verses of Quran and authentic Ahadith and show where is a compulsory requirement to be a Muslim to believe that Holy Prophet was the unconditional LAST prophet? Where is the word Last in the kalima? Why are Qasim Nanutwi and Ibn-Arabi not declared kafir for their views which are same as Ahmadis?

“Islam has been established. Qadianis will not be given a freedomn to change it, not until Muslims are alive.”

Relax, Ahmadis are not changing anything. You don’t need to die.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (and his khulafa) consider Hazrat Isa (AS) as a beloved prophet of God, but a prophet of the Bani Israel, as mentioned in the Quran. They show him due respect. Nowhere is he mentioned as a “Ba****d (Naoozobillah). If anyone says so, let that person quote directly from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s writings.

There is absolutely no dispute about his birth, only about his death: The rest of the Muslims believe that he is still alive for more than 2000 years somewhere up in the heavens and will return before the end of time to fight Dajjal, and to reform the Muslims.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has only claimed that Hazrat Isa (AS) died a natural death (Wa ma Qataloo ho wa ma salaboo ho, wa lakin shubeha lahum- Holy Quran 4:157-158) and lies buried in a tomb in mohalla Khanyar in Srinagar, Kashmir, and also that he is the personification of Hazrat Isa and the Mahdi, as had been foretold by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW). A famous hadith from Ibn-Majah: ” Lal Mahdi illa Isa” (There is no Mahdi but Isa).

As far as the 1974 amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan is concerned, Naoozobillah, would Allah Subhana wata’ala consult this document on the Day of Judgement to decide who is and who is not a Muslim? Inna lillahe wa inna ilaihe rajeoon.

@Tahir

“”" If by Seal you mean Last then prove it!!!! Go through all the verses of Quran and authentic Ahadith and show where is a compulsory requirement to be a Muslim to believe that Holy Prophet was the unconditional LAST prophet? “”

Read verse Sorah Ahzab 33, vers 40 in which it is very clearly mentioned “Khatimun Nabiyeen” now if you still asking where it is you need to worry for your self.

It is not proven by Muhammad P.B.U.H but said by ALLAH, in which he said to the Qurish that tell them that Muhammad Is the Last Messenger. What else you called faith. Do faith to the Quran dont ask to others that where is that and where is that, search by your own, just because your asking policy and not searching you have become ahmadi.
and thanks to you too, you asked this question who let me read Quran in more searching manner.

“”"Where is the word Last in the kalima? Why are Qasim Nanutwi and Ibn-Arabi not declared kafir for their views which are same as Ahmadis “”"”

Not only Ahmadis are declared as non muslims but if someone has same views like ahmadis have, he shall be in his own become non muslim.

A kalama also doesnt teach you that “Ghulam Mirza” is the subordinate to the messenger. In fact he is the messenger of culprits. Who was not Mahdi not Esa then who was that guy?. Who died just after 10 years announcing him a sub ordinate to messenger, What his character in the Quran and Sunnah and ahadees? Nothing !!! Just a imaginary, illusive, false and fabricated. in Toraat i have read that a person came to preach the religion from the city of date trees,Just like if I feel that it is for me i am that person i am living in home which has date trees.
Common try to think, think it again, you has chosen the wrong way. No one can claim by its self that he is sub ordinate to the messenger. In fact when you have clear names that Esa (A.S) shall return and Imam Mahdi shall be Last Imam. so what else you need to know? any other person? NO!

I mean how could you ignore the common words mentioning in Quran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk28VTzEjjE&feature=related

Posted by Hamara Pakistan | September 14, 2009, 9:23 am

You want to quote Ghamdi? Here is one for you where he declares Hazrat Isa has died!!!

Jesus(as) Died Natural Death - Scholar Jawed Ahmad Ghamdi
[www].youtube.com/watch?v=KX-jxZaI7qY

Are you liking Ghamdi now?

[www].youtube.com/watch?v=yk28VTzEjjE&feature=related

Posted by Hamara Pakistan | September 14, 2009, 9:23 am

You want to quote Ghamdi? Here is one for you where he declares Hazrat Isa has died!!!

Jesus(as) Died Natural Death - Scholar Jawed Ahmad Ghamdi
[www].youtube.com/watch?v=KX-jxZaI7qY

Are you liking Ghamdi now?

guys!!!
the debate is not about whether Ahmadiya’s are muslim are not, it is about giving them equal status as a citizen of Pakistan…
is that too hard?

GUYS sorry for interruption. but the fact is we are living in a era of dajjal where subordinates of dajjal like altaf can say any thing about islam and fundamentals of islam. current example is a qadiyani issue.fortunately there is piles of work done by ulema e haq but unfortunately people do not know about that. let me highlight some of marvelous work in exposing qadiyanism.
among many sordid lies and cheap and rdiculous claims one claim of mirza is that he is superior to Nabi e kareem salalaho alehi wa aalihi wasallim.(ma’az Allah)
“And Allah sent down upon me the bounty of the holy Prophet and made it perfect; and he drew towards me the kindness and generosity of the merciful Prophet, so that I became one with him. Thus, he who joins my group, joins the group of the companions (Sahaba) of my Leader, the best of messengers. It is not hidden from those who have the ability to think that this is what the words “Akhareen Menhom” (others of them) mean. The person who makes a difference between me and the Mustafa has neither seen me nor recognized me.”
(Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 258-259; Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, P. 171)

“Many Thrones descended from the heaven but thy throne has been placed the highest.”
(Tadhkirah, P. 346/643, Second Edition - Mirza’s “Revelation”; Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 89)

“One who denies that the mission of the Prophet(SAW) is related to the 6th thousand (13th century) as it was related to 5th thousand (6th century), denies the truth and the text of the Quran and is among the zalemeen (gone astray). The truth is that the spiritual power of the holy Prophet(SAW) at the end of the 6th thousand (13th century in Mirza Ghulam), i.e. these days, is much stronger, more complete and stronger than in those early years. Nay, it is like the fourteenth (moonlit) night (full moon).”
(Khutbah-e-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 271-272; Khutbah-e-Ilhamiah, P. 181)
“For the holy Prophet, God showed only the sign of Eclipse of Moon; But for me he has shown the sign of Eclipse of both Moon and Sun (solar eclipse), thus will you disbelieve me. If his Kalaam (words) were a miracle, a sign, my Kalaam is also a miracle.”
(Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol.19, P.183; Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, P. 71/79)

“It is possible for a man to attain a spiritual position higher than any other man; if any man wishes, he can rise even above Muhammad(SAW).”
(Al-Fadl, July 17, 1922, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)

“[It is a fact that Muhammad(pbuh) worked only three thousand miracles...] My Miracles exceed one million in number.”
(Tadhkirah tul Shahadatain, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 20, P. 43)

“And Islam started like the crescent which was destined ultimately to become in the later ages the full moon (of the 14th night of the month), by the command of God. Thus, Allah’s Wisdom willed that Islam should assume the form of the full moon in that century which should resemble the full moon by way of counting (i.e. in the 14th century).”
(Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 275; Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, P. 184/93)

“O dear ones, Our Imam in this world is Ghulam Ahmad in the “Darul Amaan” (house of security, Qadian).
Ghulam Ahmad is the Throne (Arsh) of the Great Lord (Rabbe Akbar).
This is as if his rest-house is situated in a place which knows no bounds (La Makan).
Ghulam Ahmad is the true Messenger of Allah (Rasul Allah).
He has been elevated with honor among mankind and Jinn.
Muhammad has been reincarnated among us; enhanced is he in his dignity and rank.
O Akmal, it anyone longs to see Muhammad, he should see Ghulam Ahmad in Qadian.”
(Al-Badr, Vol. 2, No. 25, October 25, 1906; reprint in Paigham-us-Sulh, March 14, 1916)

“The Mental development of the holy Messiah (Mirza of Qadian) was higher than that of the holy Prophet(SAW) … This is only a part of the superiority which the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam) had over the holy Prophet(SAW). The mental faculties of the holy Prophet could not be manifested fully, although the capacity existed, owing to the deficient civilization of the time. They have now manifested themselves in their full form through the Promised Messiah, by force of the advancement of civilization.”
(Review of Religions, May 1929; Qadiani Religion, P. 266/241; 9th Edition Lahore)

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“It is apparent that the time of manifest victory (Fath-e-Mubeen) of the era of the holy prophet has expired, but the process of the second victory, which is much greater and clearer than the first one, continues. It was ordained that its time should fall during the time of the Promised Messiah.”
(Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 288; Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, P. 193-194)

“We believe that a religion in which the chain of prophethood stands severed (as in Islam of Muhammad) is dead. We call the religions of Jews, the Christians and the Hindus dead only because now there are no messengers in them. If this were the position in Islam, we would be no more than mere story-tellers. Why do we regard it superior to other religions? It must have some distinctive features.”
(Malfoozat-e-Mirza, Vol. 10, P. 127; Rabwa)

“That religion is no religion and that Prophet is no prophet by following whom a man does not come so close to God as to be honored with divine conversation (prophethood). That religion is cursed and contemptible which teaches that human progress depends only on a few narrated anecdotes (Shariah of Islam and Sunnah) and that divine revelations (Wahi) have lagged behind instead of going ahead…. Such a religion deserves to be called Satanic rather than divine.”
(Zamimah-e-Barahen-e-Ahmadia, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 21, P. 306; Zamimah-e-Barahen-e-Ahmadia, Part 5, P. 138-139)

“How absurd and false it is to believe that after the holy Prophet(SAW) the door to divine ‘Wahi’ has been closed for ever and there is no hope of it in the future till the day of Resurrection - Worship tales only. Can a religion having no direct trace of Almighty Allah be called a religion? I say, by God, that in this age there is none more disgusted than myself with such a religion. I name such a religion Satanic, instead of divine.”
(Zamimah-e-Barahen-e-Ahmadia, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 21, Part 5, P. 354; Zamimah-e-Barahen-e-Ahmadia, Part 5, P. 183)

“We have sent towards you a Prophet like the Prophet who was sent towards Pharaoh.”
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 101)

“The Ahmadi movement bears the same relationship to Islam as Christianity bears to Judaism.”
(Mubahasah Rawalpindi, P. 240; by Muhammad Ali Lahori Qadiani)

“Probably in the year 1906, at the proposal of Khwaja Kamaluddin, Molvi Muhammad Ali entered into an agreement with the Editor of Akhbar-e-Watan to the effect that the Review of Religions would publish no articles about the issue (Mirza’s claims). It would publish articles on Islam in general and the Editor of the Watan would publish in his paper advertisements of appeal for help in favor of the Journal, the Review of Religions. The promised Messiah disapproved this proposal and it was strongly opposed by the Jamaat also. The hazrat Sahib (Mirza Ghulam) said: ‘Will you present dead Islam before the world by excluding me?’.”
(Zikr Habib, P. 146; by Mufti Muhammad Sadiq Qadiani, First Edition, Qadian)

“During the lifetime of the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam), at the proposal of Molvi Muhammad Ali and Khwaja Kamaluddin, the Editor of Akhbar-e-Watan started a fund collecting scheme in 1905 for the purpose of sending copies of the Review of Religions to foreign countries. On the condition that it should not contain the name of the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam). But Hazrat Aqdas (Mirza) rejected this proposal saying: ‘Will you present dead Islam by excluding me?’. Thereupon, the Editor of Watan announced the closure of this fund collecting scheme.”
(Al-Fadl, Vol. 16, No. 32, October 19, 1928; Qadiani Religion, P. 458/461-462)

KAZZAB SPEAKS AGAIN.CLAIM TO BEING THE LAST PROPHET.

“I have told so many times that according to the verse “Wa Akhareen Menhom” (Along with others of them…) - in the incarnate form, I am the same last of the Prophets (Nabi Khatamul Ambia). Twenty two years ago, God named me in the Braheen-e-Ahmadia Muhammad and Ahmad and declared that I am the entity of the holy Prophet(SAW). Thus my prophethood in no way clashes with the status of holy Prophet(pbuh) as the Last of Prophets, because shadow is inseparable from the original. Since I am Muhammad in a ’shadowy way’, thus this way the Seal of the Last of the Prophets is not broken, because the prophethood of Muhammad(pbuh) remained with Muhammad (Mirza Ghulam).”
(Ek-Ghalati-Ka-Izala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 212; Ek-Ghalati-Ka-Izala, P. 8)

“Blessed (is) he who has recognized me. Of all the paths of God I am the last path, and of all His lights I am the last light. Unfortunate is he who forsakes me, because without me all is darkness.”
(Kashti-e-Nooh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 61; Kashti-e-Nooh, P. 56, First Edition, Qadian 1902)

“The Prophethood ended on our Prophet(pbuh). Therefore after Him there is no Prophet except who has been illuminated by His Light and who has been made His inheritor by God. Know that Finality was given to Muhammad(pbuh) since the Beginning; and then given to him (Mirza Ghulam) who was taught by His Spirit and made His shadow. Thus blessed is the one who taught and blessed is the one who learned (Mirza Ghulam). Thus Finality was destined for the sixth millennium, which is the sixth day in the days of God…… The Promised Messiah was born in the sixth millennium.”
(Zamima Khutba Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 310)

“I am the only one selected in this Ummah to get the title of ‘Prophet ‘. No one else deserved this title.”
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 407)

“Tell them that if you love God then come and follow me, so that God also loves you.”
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 82)

“These quotations prove that except for the Promised Messiah no one else can be a Prophet…After holy Prophet (pbuh) only one Prophet was necessary and the coming of too many Prophets would have hindered the Wisdom and Schemes of God.”
(Tasheed-ul-Azhan, No.8, Vol.12, P.11, August 1917)

“Thus only one person got the status of Prophethood in the Ummah of Muhammad….except for the Promised Messiah (Mirza) no one followed holy Prophet to such perfection to be called the shadow of holy Prophet. Therefore only Promised Messiah was chosen to be called the Prophet.”
(Kalimat Al-Fasl, Review of Religions, P. 116, No. 3, Vol. 14)

PROPHETHOOD OF MOHAMMED(SAW)DECLARED ABROGATED(nauz o billah)

“So say to them: If you love God, then come and obey me so that God may love you.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 82; Haqiqatul-Wahi, P. 79/82; Tadhkirah, P. 46, 62,81,82,205,277,360,363,378,395,495,630,634, Mirza Ghulam’s “revelation”, 2nd Edition)

“In the Braheen-e-Ahmadia, God has declared me Ibrahim, since he said:
‘Salam - Ala - Ibrahim …’
Which means: ‘Salutation on Ibrahim (i.e. this humble person). We truly made friends with him and saved him from every anxiety. And (O you who follow him), let the place of Ibrahim’s steps be the place of your prayers. That is, obey him completely so that you may attain salvation’.”
(Arbain, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 17, P. 420; Arbain Vol. 3, P. 30-31/37)

” ‘Wa Attakhozu Men Maghame Ibrahim Masla’ This is a verse of the Holy Quran; on this occasion it means to say: Perform your prayers and maintain your beliefs on the pattern of Ibrahim who has been sent (Mirza Qadiani), and mold yourself on his model in every matter.”
(Arbain, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 17, P. 420; Arbain Vol. 3, P. 31-32)

“Similar is the verse ‘Wa Attakhozu Men Maghame Ibrahim Masla’. It contains a hint that at a time when the Ummah of Muhammad(SAW) will become divided into many groups, then during the last era an Ibrahim (Mirza of Qadian) will be born and out of all the groups that group will be saved which follows this Ibrahim.”
(Arbain, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 17, P. 421; Arbain Vol. 3, P. 32)

@Humara Pakistan
I as an Ahmadi MUSLIM believe that you are infact MUNKARE-KHATAME-NABUAT, as you said in your comments that a prophet (issah as) will come with new message. i.e He was given Bible, and now he will come back with CHANGED SHRIAT AS A FOLLOWER OF MY BELOVED PROPHET(PBUH) .
Peolpe like you have lost all religious Rationality just because they hate Ahmadis and cant stop us grow…..
Who is Building MOSQUES, through out the world…ALHAMDOLLILAH, WE ARE, Not your ZIA, BHUTTO OR MANZOOR CHINIOTI, OR TERROR LOVING ANJUMEN KHATME-NABUWAT…..Which sect of ISLAM is considered to be the most peaceful????? YES US YES US….HAZRAT KHATAMUNNABYYIN ZINDA BAD ISLAM ZINDABAD AHMADIYYAT ZINDA BAD

@ Dr.Jawwad Khan.

MASHALLAH, I salute you sir. You just broke the whims of Ahmadis to misguide the innocent minds over here. Jazak-ALLAH Khair.

@imran!

@hamara pakistan clearly mentioned that prophet jesus(as) will come as ummati in his comments(http://pakistandesk.com/?p=2651&cpage=1#comment-13694)

my question is will you ever give up lies,deceptions and forgeries?

@ TAHIR

I DAMN CARE of those who said that messenger have to come and something like that ! NAUZUBILLAH.
and not tagged by any Molvi Sahab with any party.

I HAVE QURAN, I am an educated person i can learn, i can understand, I have done LLB. My advise you to learn Quran, learn arabic language also Quran Grammer and think and study it hard as you do with other books. When Quran has mentioned that MUHAMMAD is the last messenger seal of the prophesy what else you need to listen. NO ONE !

@IMRAN.. emotional so emotional.
Naray laganay se kuch nahin hota. come with logic.

LOOK at the world who has many mosques rather then Ahmadis, if you count religion by making mosques. Look at the churches, Mandirs. is it enough to prove yourself perfect ? Nope not at all.
Ahmadis are just a cloned version of JEWS.

@ARSH!!!
unfortunately we do not have the books of ghulam qadiyani in our public libraries so we could see the ugly face of qadiyaniat directly but thank Almighty Allah(swt) that we have some good sites. who did the marvelous job in exposing qadiyaniat.
http://www.irshad.org/
http://www.ahlehaq.com/Qadiyanis.html

Pls visit website

http://www.real-islam.org

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ONE QUESTION TO NON-AHMADIES

I have a question to All the non-Ahmadies and the so called Muslims, who claim to be the true believers of Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW). If you are not coming to terms with accepting Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the promised Messiah and Mahdi, how are you going to accept any other man, who as you believe is still yet to come and claim that he is the promised messiah sent by god, when he was to come in the 14th century. You people will still not accept him either and probably kill him, as you do not want to change your way of living or thinking. You do not want to be governed by any laws because you have broken nearly all the Islamic laws that our Beloved Holy Prophet taught us. Look at the state of Pakistan, you call that a Muslim country where there is no difference left and no SHAME between men and women. Mullahs don’t see the so called actresses who are half naked and call themselves Muslims, they don’t go round killing them, they recite the Kalima and you say Subhanallah what a pious actresses. People drinking and taking drugs and trying to copy what is being done in the west. Are these the things that Holy Prophet wanted his people to do? Where are the Islamic values and teachings? What a shame. Instead of spreading love you are spreading hatred and teaching people to divide and rule. Any prophet who was sent by God was not accepted straightway and had to tackle obstacles along the way to reach the ultimate goal with the Help of Allah.
All prophecies pertaining to the appearance of the Imam Mahdi in the 14th Century have been fulfilled. Now the 14th Century has come and gone. It is time to ponder the saying of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) :

“He who does not recognize the Imam of the time will die a death of ignorance”.

WE AHMADIES ARE THE TRUE SOLDIERS OF ISLAM AND WILL PREACH THE WORD OF QUR’AN AND HADITH TO THE CORNERS OF THE EARTH. INSHALLAH AMEEN.

Precious

Arsh, you say Ahmedis are the cloned version of Jews ?

Your accusation reminds me of this and other discussions where we Sunnis call anyone Jews when we lose debate.
http://www.husainiyouths.com/forum/topics/who-created-the-shia-sect?page=1&commentId=1979414%3AComment%3A90316&x=1#1979414Comment90316

When we have nothing to argue we blame the opponent Jew — From Geo Tv to Ahmedis everybody has connections with Jews (Sarcasm intended)

Well done Tanzeel! I agree with you statement and look forward to your next article. Keep it up. Remember when you are in the right it does not matter who is with you or against you because Allah is always with you.

Also, interesting question raised by PRECIOUS. Can anyone answer how all the Muslims who are killing each other at the drop of a hat these days going to UNIT under one banner of Jesus when he comes again??? Also, that Jesus will over come Christians and Jews in (i think) 40 years!!!… WOW this is something even the greatest of all Prophet’s Prophet Muhammad (SAW) could not do….WOW…in other words if Jesus comes again he must be more powerful than Prophet Muhammad (SAW) naozobillah!

LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE!

IMAAM MAHDI already has come in 14th hijra. ALHAMDULILLAH
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SECOND COMING JESUS ?

EXCERPT FROM THE HOLY QUR’AN

He it is Who has raised among the unlettered people a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them His Signs, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and Wisdom though before that they were in manifest error; And He will raise him among others of them who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise. That is Allah’s grace; He bestows it on whom He pleases; and Allah is the Lord of immense grace. (62:3-5)

SAYINGS OF THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SA)

Hadrat Abu Hurrairah (ra) narrates:

“When Sura Juma`a was revealed to the Holy Prophet (sa) we happened to be there in his company. When he recited the verse ‘ others from among them and have not joined them’, someone asked, ‘who are they O Messenger of Allah?’ The Holy Prophet (sa) did not respond to him unless that person repeated the question three times. At that time Salman (ra), the Persian was also sitting amongst us. The Holy Prophet (sa) put his hand on him and said, ‘Even if faith ascended to the Pleiades, there would be someone or some men from his people who would restore it back.’(Bokhari)

“When we have nothing to argue we blame the opponent Jew.”

Well said, Tanzeel!

@dr jawwad khan: You have done the usual trick of ‘when get stuck start spamming’. You have posted a large number of small excerpts which are difficult to reply to in the short space here, which is an obvious sign that you do not want discussion but want to ruin the discussion. However the few excerpts I have gone through I found nothing objectionable. Are you really a doctor?

In my previous post .
Please read as 1400 years hijra, not 14th hijra.

In my previous post please read as 1400 years hijra. Not 14th hijra.

@Humara Pakistan
Great you just proved your self MUNKEREKHATME NABUWAT AGAIN. your believe of ACCEPTING an ummati prophet after Our beloved prophet ( Hazrat Issa as)IS WHAT MAKE YOU “KAFIR”.BECAUSE YOU ARE BREAKING THE SEAL BY BRINGING A NABI WITH A DIFFERENT SARIAH…..
Infact it makes you bigger kafir ( then Ahmadis) because, they atleast believe that Mirza Sahib (as) is UMMATI of Our prophet (pbuh),,AND ISSAH (AS) WILL NOT BE UMMATI AS HE WILL BE ISSA IBNE MARIAM SO UNFORTUNATELY HE WILL SPREAD CHRISTIANITY AND NOT ISLAM…..and bible not Quran
PHENATICS LIKE YOU AND MULLAHS LOOSE THIER ABILITY TO STAY RATIONALE………………….
SEE the fact that Hazrat Issah (as) passed away 2000 years ago made me become Ahmadi as All other sects believe (like christians) that he was elevated to skies and is living up there without food for last 2000 years. Only sect who buries him in KASHMIR INDIA is AHMADIYYA JAMAAT.(google tomb of jesus and you will find out the facts)

Even today if i try to leave AHMADIYYAT, tell me where do i go to become “Muslim”???? YOU ALL CONSIDER KAFIR EACHOTHER ANYWAYS.
So i WOULD rather stay AHMADI MUSLIM.

CORRECTION
Great you just proved your self MUNKEREKHATME NABUWAT AGAIN. your believe of ACCEPTING an ummati prophet after Our beloved prophet (PBUH)……..

Tanzeel,

ASAQ,Is there a way to view the earlier posts?

Imran & all other ahmadi muslims,

ASAQ,
Arsh is right in saying there is no need to show emotions here.When you have the truth with you, with facts and logic, y not explain only on its basis?I’m sure every ahmadi posting comments here is Alhamdulillah capable of clearing all of their misunderstandings & misquotes from ahmadiyya books.These people(non ahmadi muslims)also have the same love for Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) and Islam and Allah but are yet to be guided….

@ARSH
If you know Quran, you have to read like a an Ahmadi Muslim, and not a Phenetic Muslim.
In Quran you will find verses that prove that Hazrat Issah (as) has passed away (Innallillah hey wa inna illaherajaoon)
But unfortunately like many billions of other non ahmadis, you simply dont understand that our MAIN DIFFERENCE is DEATH OF JESUS (AS)…….Nothing else……

DEATH OF HAZRAT ISSA (AS) AN IMPORTANT VIDEO EVERY ONE SHOULD WATCH!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cy8M4VzU-Y&NR=1

DEATH OF HAZRAT ISSAH (AS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DXCZFRsyl8&feature=related

I’ve read all this story and
ve seen the video.the so called musilms when ruining the holy scred names of the ultimate lord and his prophet what do they think they r doing?.whether or not they r muslims but it is our victory that they have concalved our holy prophet’s name upon their mosques or worship place instead of their so called prophet “Ahmed” hence they are known as Ahmadis. The horrible fact about pakistan is that unfortunately our beloved homeland PAKISTAN is not a true muslim state.I,m strong supporter of the view that the official and international name of pakistan must be changed from “ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN” to “FANATIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN”.thier is no islam in pakistan in its true shape infact the laws implemented and passed in the parliment and Natiional Assembly of Pakistan to be implemented in the courts are against the teachings of islam and the HOLY QURAN.

Dear Friends,
There is a famous verse of Quran e karim which is often mentioned in support of the claim by Mullahs in the finality of Rasool karim (saw) that they say; it is declared by Allah Jala Shanha hou, to be the last prophet and that there must not be any other prophet succeeding him. Mullah vested interests and self serving claim may be one thing—but let’s see the verse in question in its right prospective. The verse:

33:40] مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ اَبَآ اَحَدٍ مِّنْ رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلٰـكِنْ رَّسُوْلَ اللّٰهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيّٖنَ ؕ
وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيْمًا‏

Allah says in Surah Ahzab 33 verse 40 that: “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

Here the word Khatum has been used which means that the one who excels all others which could be the most appropriate meaning that one can offer in the honour of Prophet Muhammad (saw). It reflects the lofty station par excellence bestowed by Almighty God to Prophet Muhammad that with the revelation of Quran brought by Muhammad (saw) the religion that God planned to bestowed for the mankind—— was completed. But we need to see also that this verse was revealed under what circumstances?

It will be absurd to drag this word Khatumun Nabiyeen to fulfil some other motives and say that Khatum means that after Muhammad there is no nabi or the prophet hood hence ends there altogether. God never said that and why we must limit God Almighty in his own affairs———-If at all God has to the say, that after Muhammad there will be No Nabi and wanted to put an end to the prophet hood which has been a source of blessing and guidance for peoples since the time God created mankind. This is a drastic change of policy by God Almighty which means leaving the mankind to wonder around clue less that as we are today and with any subsequent guidance after his completion of religion by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)——– This is serious matter— If at all there is any such thing–why God must not say it more clearly and without any ambiguity and in explicit manners.

Anyhow matter of the fact is that when subject verse was revealed this was never meant that God is dishing out some policy matter but the circumstances reveal that this word khatum un nabeen is said in a taunting manner that Muslims ought not to consider Prophet Muhammad some ordinary person that in their own private meetings they used to talk about the marrying of divorcee of Zaid (as) by prophet Muhammad to whom Prophet Muhammad (saw) has said his adopted son.

It was observed that Muslims have started discussing matrimonial case of Rasool e karim with sarcasm. This is the time when God admonished believer to refrain from any such indulgence and said in the verse that don’t try to belittle the prophet; he is not some father like you lot but a Nabi who excels all other Nabies that he enjoys a lofty par excellence stature awarded to him by God Almighty.

If we read the earlier verses this concept will become clearer:

Ahzab 33: 37. “And remember when thou didst say to him on whom Allah had bestowed favours and on whom thou also hadst bestowed favours: ‘Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear Allah.’ And thou didst conceal in thy heart what Allah was going to bring to light, and thou wast afraid of the people, whereas Allah has better right that thou shouldst fear Him. Then, when Zaid had accomplished his want of her so as to have no further need of her, We joined her in marriage to thee, so that there may be no hindrance for the believers with regard to the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them. And Allah’s decree must be fulfilled.”

Lets us start seeing the things in their right prospective.
Regards

Love For All Hatred For None

@ Dr Jawwad Khan & Arsh

@ARSH!!!
unfortunately we do not have the books of ghulam qadiyani in our public libraries so we could see the ugly face of qadiyaniat directly but thank Almighty Allah(swt) that we have some good sites. who did the marvelous job in exposing qadiyaniat.

Thank you so much for clarifying to Arsh as well as everyone reading and posting as to what exactly was your source of this misquoted information you provided-WEBSITES!!! Are you aware that there are also websites against our Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) and against Islam which speak stuff no where close to our knowledge of Islam & its teachings? Which is nothing but crap and which is done to hurt sentiments of muslims and with the sole intention of misguiding people away from Islam?? By visiting such websites if someone gathers utter wrong impression on Islam, does it mean that Islam is really that??

You are absolutely right, you people are very very unfortunate that you do not have ahmadiyya literature in your public libraries!! It is not diificult to find it though…if you really want to see the real face of ahmadiyyat read the books not the websites and then decide whether its ugly or beautiful!!

@ Dr Jawwad Khan & Arsh

These are original excerpts from writings of the founder of Ahmadiyyat and not from false websites that you have quoted above.
It is not difficult to answer you people. If every ahmadi posting here can share this responsibility inshallah if Allah wills your minds will be purified of the crap u have ingested by “hear and say”.

ALLAH THE EXALTED
Our Paradise is in our God. Our highest delight is in our God for we have seen Him and found every beauty in Him. This wealth is worth procuring though one may have to lay down one’s life to procure it. This ruby is worth purchasing though one may have to lose one’s self to acquire it. O ye, who are bereft, run to this fountain and it will satiate your thirst. It is the fountain of life that will save you. What shall I do, and by what drum shall I make the announcement that this is your God, so that people may hear? What remedy should I apply to their ears so that they should listen. If you belong to Allah, rest assured that Allah will indeed belong to you. (Kishti Nuh; Roohani Khazain, vol 19 pp 21-22)

The Unity of God is a light which illumines the heart only after the negation of all deities, whether they belong to the inner world or the outer world. It permeates every particle of man’s being. How can this be acquired without the aid of God and His Messenger? The duty of man is only to bring death upon his ego and turn his back to devilish pride. He should not boast of his being reared in the cradle of knowledge but should consider himself as if he were merely an ignorant person, and occupy himself in supplications. Then the light of Unity will descend upon him from God and will bestow new life upon him. (Haqiqatul Wahi: Roohani Khazain, vol 22, p 148)

All praise be unto Him Who is the Everlasting,
None is His equal, nor is anything like unto Him.
He remains forever, the rest is transient,
To love others than Him is a mare fantasy.
He alone is my heart’s desire, I know none other,
My heart exclaims: Holy is He Who keeps me in sight.
He provides for all His Grace is manifest,
In Him alone lies our comfort; He alone is dear to us.
Without Him we cannot live, all else is false,
Blessed be this day, Holy is He Who keeps me in sight.
(Mahmood ki Ameen: Roohani Khazain, vol 12, p 319)

@ Dr Jawwad Khan & Arsh

THE HOLY PROPHET
(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)

The sublime light which was bestowed on man, i.e., the most perfect among them, was not shared by angels, nor by stars; nor was it in the moon nor in the sun, or in the oceans and the rivers. It was not to be found in rubies or emeralds, nor in sapphires or in pearls: It was not in any earthly or heavenly object. It was possessed only by the perfect man, manifested in the most consummate way in the person of our lord and master, Muhammad, the chosen one, the chief of all the prophets, leader of those who live (in the sight of Allah). So that light was bestowed on that man, and likewise, to a degree, on all who in their several ways were similar to him… Sublime grace was possessed in its most perfect and consummate manifestation by our lord and master, the unlettered Prophet, the truthful one, the one whose truth is testified to, Muhammad, the chosen one, peace be on him. (Ayena Kamalat-e-Islam: Roohani Khazain, vol 5 pp 160-162).

I look always with wonder at this Arab Prophet whose name is Muhammad, thousands of blessings and peace be upon him. How exalted his status was! One cannot perceive the ultimate limit of his station, and it is not within the scope of man to fully comprehend the depth and penetration of his ennobling qualities. Alas! Due recognition has not been paid to his lofty rank. That unity which had disappeared from the world was restored by this valiant champion. He loved God most intensely, so also his soul was consumed in deep sympathy for mankind. That is why God, Who was fully aware of the hidden excellences of his heart, exalted him above all the Prophets and all the people of the past and the future, and fulfilled his heart’s desires in the span of his lifetime. (Haqiqatul Wahi: Roohani Khazain, vol 22, pp 118-119).

Our Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, combines in him the names of all the prophets, for in him are blended the noble qualities we find severally in all the other prophets. Hence, he is Moses as well as Jesus; he is Adam, he is Abraham, he is Joseph and also he is Jacob. God indicates that in the verse :
“So do thou follow their guidance” (6:91)
Meaning: O Prophet of God, merge in yourself the various teachings of all the prophets! This shows that the excellence of all the prophets was combined in the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Infact the very name Muhammad points towards this because it means “the one who is most highly praised.” The highest praise can only be conceived if it is granted that the very best virtues and special qualities of all prophets are blended in him. (Ayena Kamalat-e-Islam: Roohani Khazain, vol 5, p 343).

I have been made to understand that of all the Messengers, the one who gave the most perfect and purest of teachings full of wisdom, and the one who exhibited in him the noblest of human qualities, is the Holy Prophet Muhammad, our lord and master, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. (Arbaeen No.1: Roohani Khazain, vol 17, p 345).

When we examine with fairness and justice all the prophets of the past, we find that Muhammad, the Holy prophet of Islam, stands out as the most valiant among them, the only one who fully possessed all the qualities of life and was the one most endeared to God. (Sirajul Muneer: Roohani Khazain, vol 12, p82).

For all the children of Adam there is now no Messenger and intercessor other than the Holy Prophet Muhammad, the chosen one, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. So you should endeavour to cultivate true love for this magnificent and majestic prophet and not place anyone else above him in any manner so that you may be counted in Heaven among those who have attained salvation. Remember, salvation is not something which is attainable only after death. Indeed true salvation is the one which manifests its light in this very world. Who is the one who is delivered? He indeed who believes that God is truth and that the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is the intercessor between God and mankind. So also he believes that under the firmament of Heaven, there is no prophet equal to him and there is no book of the status of the Quran. And for none else God ordained that he should live forever with his message and his law, but his noble Prophet lives forever. (Kishti Nuh: Roohani Khazain, vol 19, p13).

It would not have been possible for me to attain this grace if I had not followed the footsteps of my lord and master, the pride of all the prophets, the best of mankind, Muhammad, the chosen one, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Whatever I have achieved, I have achieved by following him, and I know from verified reliable experience that no man can reach God and obtain a deeper understanding of His ways without following that Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Now, let me also make it known that the very first thing you are rewarded with, after having completely submitted yourself to the instructions and teachings of Holy Prophet Muhammad, is that you are granted a new heart which is always rightly inclined, that is to say, a heart which has turned cold upon the love of this material world, and instead it begins to yearn for an everlasting heavenly pleasure. Having achieved this desire this heart is now fit to receive that perfect and purest love-the love of God. Because of your complete obedience to him, all these blessings are bequeathed to you as his spiritual heritage. (Haqeeqatul Wahi: Roohani Khazain, vol 22, p 64-65).

@ Arsh & Jawwad Khan

Thy boundless blessings and peace
be upon Mustafa, O God;
Verily through him we receive Thy light.
My soul is eternally bonded
To the soul of Muhammad
I made my heart drink deep
Of the brimful cup of his love.
None better than he could
I discover in the whole world.
Most certainly,
I have broken my heart loose
From the grip of others.
God’s glory is reflected
In your virtues my beloved.
Him I made my own,
By having made you mine.
Having touched the hem
Of Thy garment, O God,
One is saved from being entrapped,
By the charms of others.
Verily, I bow my head
At your threshold alone.
O my beloved,
I swear by Thy Unity,
In my love of Thee I have become
Oblivious to my ownself.
By God, all other images
Have vanished from my heart.
Ever since I had,
Your countenance etched upon it.
It was because of you that we
became the best of peoples,
O Prophet of God who
Is the best of all the prophets.
As you marched ahead of all the rest,
We too stepped forward.
Let alone the human beings,
Even all the angels in the Heavens
Follow suit and join me,
As I sing thy praise.
(Ayena Kamalat-e-Islam: Roohani Khazain, vol 5, p 225-226).

That leader of Ours.
From whom radiates all light;
His name is Muhammad; he is the one
Who has captivated my heart.
All prophets are holy,
One better than the other;
But from God on high,
He is the crown of all creatures.
Superior to all the earlier ones,
He shines forth like a moon in excellence.
Each gaze is fixed upon him, he indeed
Is the full moon which lights up the darkness.
Those before him gave up half way through;
He is the one who steered safely to the destined heaven.
May that I lay down my life in his cause;
He alone is the perfect master.
That Beloved unbounded by space,
That Darling of the recesses of my heart;
Was shown to us by him (Muhammad),
Unique is he in guidance.
Today he is the sovereign of the world of religion,
The crown of all the Messengers.
The healthiest influence, the purest, the most comely;
The most trustworthy, the most dependable;
Allah! This superlative praise
Befits him alone.
His eye ranges far and wide,
Like a powerful telescope,
While his heart remains
Incessantly close
To the Lord God.
In his hand he carries
The torch of religion;
And this alone is the real
And true source of light.
Whatsoever the great secrets
In the domain of religion,
He has opened all knots,
No matter how subtle, how strong,
And he alone is the king,
In a position to distribute,
This-the rarest of all kinds of wealth!
Indeed I am sold entirely on this light:
Wholly and completely, and I am devoted to it;
In my mind, in this respect,
There are no reservations.
He alone is the one that counts,
While I, in myself,
Amount absolutely to nothing.
This alone is the basic truth;
This alone the final verdict.
(Qadian ke Arya Aur Hum: Roohani Khazain, vol 20, p 456).

This Funny Old World

This will be appropriate to mention here that all the societies of the world they always carry a pertinent mindset of their own, whereby they love to live with it and like to be governed and remain immersed in its—– so called bliss. The people and the communities they carry these self crafted myths as beast of their burden. Decade and some time centuries may pass but that mindset or the perception is rarely changed.

In the fields or religion this is found more so difficult to fend off any such notions. History tells us that all the prophets sent by God Almighty could hardly make any massive break through; rather they were always jeered and mocked. But withe paage of time, people eventually did realize their teachings and did come to submit in large numbers to their set folds but it all happened with a very slow process and on extended time span.

Our Modern religion is hardly older than about six thousand years or so. Prophet Abraham (as) is our Common father of all the main three modern religions, Judah, Christianity and Islam. God Almighty says [2:135] ‘Nay, follow ye the religion of Abraham who was ever inclined to God’ and an obedient pious soul. After Abraham*, Moses*, Jesus* and Muhammad (saw) are the law bearing prophet who were given books by God Almighty.

God Almighty says that He selected the religion of Islam for the mankind and Abraham was the first such prophet of Islam. God imparted his teaching through His given books and Moses was given Torah for his followers and were named as Israelite. Jesus (as) came as Judah’( Israelites) reformer; whereas in shape of Islam final teachings were imparted at its summit in a book of Quran and Prophet Muhammad(saw) brought this universal book for the mankind for which Prophet Muhammad (saw) is called seal or the stalwart of all the prophets or Khatumun Nabiyeen– the one who excels all others.

Although God Almighty bestowed his teaching and His given religion has been progressing leaps and bounds and with a flow of perpetual bless-full guidance which has never stopped but most of the people have been preferring to old ruts of their denominations like Jews and Christian and today even in the wake of latest revelation in the fields of religion and advent of Islam that this whole world is aware of it; we do have the older denominations in existence and yet other very old religions like Hinduism and Zoroastrian also being followed. This is unique phenomenon people have always disregard the arrival of any new prophets and invariably his teachings were very vehemently rejected.

Today Jews are carrying a misconception that Jesus the Christ (as) has yet to come whereas after his blessed advent some millennium have passed by ( Dunia ko hey khaber magar tum ko naheen) but they are still stuck with the same old evolved concept and keep on praying to God very reverently in front of Wailing wall that—- When God will make to appear Elijah and to tells them that when their saviour Jesus; the king of the kings will arrive?

They are doing all the preparation like grabbing all possible lands around Israel that it is their promised land given by God and that they should have in their possession all possible lands with them prior to Jesus (as) arrival to establish his Kingdom.

Reportedly they are the most busy lot in the field of their religion. They are swarming in and migrating to Israel against all the odds.

Likewise when the Jesus (as) came, although Jews rejected him out rightly but later people called as Christians accepted him as their reformer. They duly revered and followed him to the extent that simply being in love with him, the Christian elevated him to the lofty position of son of God and in another case even God himself(refer the prevalent Trinity myth). They totally do not believe that there is something called as Islam as a divine religion and that it is the final Word of God Almighty bestowed to mankind whereby God has completed His religion selected for the mankind and Muhammad (pbuh) brought it through the Book: Quran e karim.

Muslims also may be claiming themselves— as the latest believers in the field of religion but they are also stuck in illusions and like Jews may not like to believe that they have got yet their own Messiah and Mahdi among them as prophesised by prophet Muhammad (pbuh). He is called Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of Qadiyan, the Mahdi and Massieh Maoud (as). Like Jesus (as) he was also rejected by main stream Muslim community.

As per the unfortunate consensus advocated and debated in religious circles of Judaic at the time of Jesus(as) and the prophet of God, their reformer was out rightly rejected; likewise– in Pakistan the followers who accepted Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as Promised Messiah in Islam were declared Non- Muslim and as such thrown out of pale of Islam. His followers are now grown into millions and are called—– Ahmadies.

This is a funny old world; it loves to live the life of mysteries and illusion and to remain hung in Cuckoo lands. They may not leave the old mythologies or the ruts so easily. Not surprised that Ahmadies in Pakistan are being persecuted so vehemently—- but Ahmadies—— they are living among them against all the odds and them happily sing songs of Obaid ullah Aleem:

Oas kay naam peh marain khanaa; abb Ehzaaz Humara
Aisee kissi kee yeh izzat ouqaat Naheen daikee.
They feel honoured that they get persecuted and executed in the name of God Almighty and they are the only one who are holding on to the latest commands to take God message forward——— against all the odds.
Their Moto is: Love for all, Hatred for None
*Peace be upon them all
[1] Kissi key bas main naheen tha,kissi key bas main naheen
Boulandion ko sadaa pamaal kar rakhnaa

Above contents; This Funny Old World were also published earlier in TPS.

Regards

The coca cola analogy was an insult to Allah and His Prophet(saw). We observe in nature that whatever is immensely beneficial to mankind is freely available, without any restriction whatsoever, like air, water, food, the ability to think, see, smell, taste, feel, reason, pray, reproduce, etc. In the spiritual realm we see again that God’s favorite, Mohammad(saw), has been called ‘Rehmatul lil Aalameen,’ i.e. Mercy for the Entire Universe. Thus, whoever wants to copyright Islam is essentially saying that Islam is not beneficial to humanity at large.
Secondly, one can only copyright what one has created. Islam was created by Allah, and He does not restrict access to anything which is essential for human progress. Thirdly, even in the corporate world it is recognized that it is inhuman to deny others the benefit of one’s innovation indefinitely. So there is always a time limit to a copyright after which it becomes freely available for all to benefit from. The mulla is so inhuman that he will deny others the right to benefit from Allah’s greatest bounty, Islam.

I have to agree this is really a well written article. I have noticed when example of Prophet Mohammad are qouted to any muslim they say he is the prophet of Allah we can’t compete with him. The fact is that God designated prophet amoung people so that they have same limitations as their followers. Whatever prophets did is doable for human beings. He didn’t designated prophet amoung angels as they are perfect and for human it would have been impossible to follow thier footprints.

When it comes to the incidences where muslims can get an oppertunity to order around, control others lives or punish a fellow human beings they tend to become God. Then they don’t try to find out if Allah has authorized them to take the action they are taking in the given situation or not.

In Quran there are tone of places where Muslims are advised to be kind to other human beings, respect thier properties, and so forth. But no where it says that Muslims gets to decide who is muslim and who is not and yet they like to exercise the authority to do that even though Allah didn’t delegated this authority to them. But they are not willing to be kind and just to fellow human beings which is in clear words Allah has told them to be. Yes it is funny old world.

very very well said Fozia :)

TO ALL GUIDELESS NON AHMADI (MUSLIMS) WHO CALL AHMADIS KAFIR

Just a reminder that your Mullahs who called or “declared” Ahmadis Kafir, called Qaid of Pakistan a “GREATEST AND BIGGEST KAFIR” i.e KAFIR-E-AZIM
Why he was loved by Ahmadis and he loved Ahmadis was because of his thoughts about Pakistan, here is what he said, here is what Pakistan should have been, unfortunately what he dream of 60 years ago, Pakistan cannot dream to achieve in next 60 years if it follows the MULLLAS ISLAM. Please read and spread it to your fellow Pakistanis

“You are free, free to go to
your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to
any other places of worship in this state of Pakistan.
You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that
has nothing to do with the business of state. … We are
starting with this fundamental principle that we are all
citizens and equal citizens of one state.”

UNBELIEVABLE STATEMENT BY QAID

I dont prey for a person of his thoughts to rule us because he would be hanged, killed or jailed by phenetic Muslims

If Qaid was Alive today he would have been Jailed for letting Ahmadis enjoy thier places of worship……………………..
I wish he had lived for just 10 years after creation of Pakistan.

@Fozia
Well said Fozia. I wonder why clear guidelines of our Prophet (pbuh) and Quran have forgotten by these Mullahs.
One reason could be the $$$$$$ pouring in from—————

QAID-E-AZAM NEY FARMAYA

“You are free, free to go to
your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to
any other places of worship in this state of Pakistan.
You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that
has nothing to do with the business of state. … We are
starting with this fundamental principle that we are all
citizens and equal citizens of one state.”

Some opponents of Ahmadiyya Muslim Movement impose this totally false allegation on Hadhrat Ahmad (The Founder of Ahmadiyyah Movement in Islam) that he had claimed equality or even supremacy (God forbid) to the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). In support of their said allegation they misquote some of his writings by taking them from different books, twisting their meanings, separating them from their context and presenting them as a continuous text. In doing so they intentionally hide those parts of his writings which very clearly speak of his having received every blessing of Allah due to his perfect obedience and love for his master i.e. Hadhrat Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Followings are some quotations from the English Translation of the writings of Hadhrat Ahmad (A.S)of Qadian in this regard which, without any doubt, proves those opponents of Hadhrat Ahmad (A.S) as greatest liars.

Hadhrat Ahmad (A.S) wrote :

1: “God Almighty has, through the blessings of my obedience to and love for the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, and through my following His Holy Word, honoured this humble one with His revelation and with inner knowledge. He has enlightened me with the disclosure of many mysteries, and has filled my bosom with many verities and realities. He has informed me many times that all these gifts, bounties, exaltation, favours, kindnesses, attention, awards, supports and revelations have been bestowed upon me by virtue of the blessings of obedience to and love for the Seal of the Prophets, peace be on him.” Braheen Ahmadiyya, p. 623, footnote i

2: “I have, by the sheer grace of God, and not on account of any merit of my own, been accorded a full measure of the bounty that was bestowed before me on the Prophets and Messengers and the chosen ones of God. It would not have been possible for me to be granted this bounty had I not followed the ways of my lord and master, the pride of the Prophets, the best of mankind, Muhammad, the chosen one, peace be on him. Whatever I have been given I have been given by following him and I know through true and perfect knowledge that no man can reach God except by following the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, nor can anyone arrive at a full understanding of God except through him” Haqeeqatul Wahi, p. 68

3: “In order to win the pleasure of Allah, I hereby inform you all of the important fact that Almighty God has, at the beginning of this 14th century, appointed me from Himself for the revival and support of the true faith of Islam. It is my function in this disturbed age to proclaim the excellencies of the Holy Quran and the greatness of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him. It is also my function to repel all enemies of Islam who are attacking it, by means of the light and blessings and the miracles and inner knowledge that have been bestowed upon me.” Barakatud Dua, p. 24

4: “I can call God to witness that as He spoke to Abraham and Isaac and Ishmael and to Jacob and to Joseph and to Moses and to Jesus, son of Mary, and last of all spoke to our Holy Prophet, peace be on him, in such manner that He vouchsafed to him the most brilliant and excellent revelation, so has He honoured me with His converse. This honour has been bestowed upon me only on account of my obedience to the Holy Prophet, peace be on him. Had I not been one of his followers and had I not obeyed him, I would never have been honoured with God’s word even if my good deeds had been piled up as high as the mountains. All Prophethood has now come to an end except the Prophethood of Muhammad. No law-bearing Prophet can now arise, but a non-law-bearing prophet can arise provided he is a follower of the Holy Prophet. In this way I am both a follower and a Prophet, and my Prophethood is a reflection of the Prophethood of the Holy Prophet. Apart from that it is nothing. It is the same Prophethood as that of Muhammad which has manifested itself in me.” Tajalliat Elahiyyah, p. 24

5: “Whenever I have denied being a Prophet or a Messenger, it means that I am not a law-bearer, nor am I a Prophet in my own right. But I am a Messenger and a Prophet without a new law in sense that God reveals to me that which is hidden, and because of the inner grace that has been bestowed upon me on account of my obedience to the Holy Prophet, and because of having received his name. I have never denied being a Prophet in this sense. It is in this sense that God has called me a Prophet and a Messenger. My having said, I am not a Messenger and have not brought a book; means that I am not the bearer of a new law. It must, however, be remembered and should never be forgotten, that despite my having been called Prophet and Messenger, I have been informed by God that all this grace is not bestowed directly upon me but that there is one in heaven, that is to say, Muhammad, the chosen one, peace be on him, whose spiritual grace accompanies me. In this way the Seal of Prophethood has been fully safeguarded, for I have been given these names by way of reflection through the mirror of love. If a person is chagrined over the revelation that has been vouchsafed to me in which God Almighty has called me a Prophet and a Messenger, it is foolish on his part, for my being Prophet and Messenger, as I have explained, does not contravene the Divine Seal” Ek Ghalati Ka Izalah, p. 8–9].

6: “The gist of the faith to which I adhere is La Ilaha Illallaho Mohammadur Rasoolullah (There is non worthy of worship except God and Muhammad, peace be on him, is His messenger). What I believe in, here in this world and to which I would stick till I pass away from this world, with the grace of God, is that Our Chief and Master the Holy Prophet Mohammad, peace be on him, is the Khatamun Nabiyyin (Seal of the Prophets) and the best of the Messengers; it was at his hands that the religion was perfected and the Bounty of God which can lead a man to the communion of God, saw his completion. (Izala-i-Auham Part 1, p-137)

7:”The last thing that I would like to say is that we have received every kind of light by following this Messenger / Prophet who is unlettered; whoever will follow him will become the recipient of these lights. His prayers will be accepted in such a way that he will not find anything beyond his power of accomplishment. The living God Who is hidden from the eyes of the people will become his God (i.e. it will be as if he sees Him) and all the false gods will be trampled under his feet. He will be blessed wherever he will be and God’s powers will be with him. (Siraj-i-Munir, p-73)

8: “There is no need to follow the prophethoods and the scriptures that were there before the coming of the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace be on him, individually or collectively, for, the prophethood of the Holy Prophet is a compendium of all of them and it encompasses them all. All other avenues are now closed; all the truths that lead a man to God are to be met with in it. No new truth will henceforth be revealed nor there was any truth in the previous scriptures which has been left out from this prophethood. That being the case, this prophethood brings all the other prophethoods to an end – and that is how it should have been, for, whatever has a beginning must have an end. But this prophethood – that of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, is not devoid of its spiritual influence, rather its spiritual influence is much greater than the influence of all other prophethoods. The follower ship of this prophethood leads a man to God very easily and it vouchsafes the love of God and makes one recipient of His converse, more than ever before. But of course such a person cannot be called a prophet, for, it is a disgrace for the perfect prophethood of the holy Prophet, peace be on him; both the words put together – the prophet and the Ummti (follower) – can be his title. That is no disgrace to the prophethood of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him. Rather, it can be said that this thing adds the glow of his prophethood because it comes into existence through his own blessings. ( Al-Wasiat, p-12 )

9: “It should be remembered that if an Ummati (a follower of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him) attains a rank of being the recipient of revelation and converse of God and to prophethood and he is honoured with the title of “Prophet”, this in no way goes against the Holy Prophet being the Khatamun Nabiyyin, for this person is a follower of the Holy Prophet and his prophethood is a proof of the excellence of the prophethood of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him. Of course this person cannot be given the title of a prophet without adding the word Ummati (follower) to it. If a prophet who is not an Ummati (follower) comes back to the world, it would go against the Holy Prophet being the Seal of the Prophets.” (Chashma-i-Masihi, p-69, footnote)

10: “The Sharia (Divine Law) has been concluded with the advent of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him; nobody can be called a Prophet after the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, unless he is also called an Ummati (follower). This actually means that he has received all the Bounties by following the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, and not of himself.” (Tajaliat-i-Elahia, p-5 footnote)

11: “The perfect man to whom the Holy Quran was revealed did not have a limited vision and his general sympathy for the people at large was in no way faulty. Rather he was so sympathetic for all the people – with no distinction of time and space – that the Mercy of God was fully manifested in him; so much so that he became the Khatamul Ambiya. But, of course, he was not Khatamul Ambiya in the sense that no blessing would henceforth accrue to anyone. He is Khatamul Ambiya in the sense that no blessing can accrue to anyone without his seal and as for his Umma (his followers) the door of converse with God the Almighty is open for them till the Day of Resurrection, it will never be closed. No other Prophet is the possessor of the Seal: only he possesses the Seal, which grants prophethood - of course the prophethood for which it is essential that one should be an Ummati (follower) too. His sympathy has not left the Umma in a deficient position and he did not tolerate that the door of the converse of God which is the means of God – realization, should remain closed for them. Of course, in order to maintain the proof of his being Khatamun Nabiyyin he has willed it that all blessing should accrue to the people through him; whoever is not an Ummati (follower) should find the door of the converse of God closed to him. This is what God really means by calling him the Khatamul Ambiya.” (Haqiqatul Wahy, p-27)

12: “My belief is that whoever claims to be a real and direct prophet having gotten away from the blessings of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, and does not drink deep at the blessed fountain of the Holy Prophet, rather claims to be directly commissioned by God, such a person is a heretic and irreligious.” (Anjam-iAtham. p-27, footnote)

13: “What God wishes you to believe is that God is one and Mohammad, peace be on him, is His Prophet and the Khatamul-Ambia (the Seal of the Prophets) and superior to all other prophets. There is no prophet after him except the one who is made to wear the mantle of the Holy Prophet, in a reflective manner, for, the servant is not separate from his master, nor is the branch from its root. Thus he who gets himself completely merged in his master and gets the title of Prophet from God Himself cannot be said to be the one who interferes in the matter of Khatm-i-Nubuwwat.” (Kashti-Nooh, p-15)

Wow! It appears that the word ‘Seal’ has many meanings.

I read in the Holy Quran:

“And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these. ( Al-Nisa, Chapter 4 : Verse 70)”

I guess if we believe that no Prophets could come, then we would also have to believe that no Truthful, no Martyrs, or no Righteous people could come either.

Or, if Prophethood can be obtained only through perfect obedience of Allah and Mohammad (saw) then Truthfulness, Martyrdom, and Righteousness could also be achieved only through perfect obedience to Allah and Mohammad (saw).

@Sarmad Sb,

An excellent post, Alhamdulillah!! I hope the non-ahmadis read and understand how beautifully Hazrat Masih Maud(as) has presented Islam do the world and how beautifully he has attributed every best quality of human nature to our Prophet Muhammad(saw).He reestablished the loftiest position of our Holy Prphet(saw) which the world had forgotten and with ahmadiyyat Islam was revived,Alhamdulillah and Inshallah will now live forever!!
If they even read only this with a sincere heart that itself is enough to bring them into this community of true muslims who donot like them show off their love for Islam & Hazrat Muhammad(saw) by violence and irrational behaviour which is strictly against Islam and a sign of the weak but practice patience and endurance and trust only their prayers to Allah to bring good to this world.

@Fouzia

Beautiful analogy. A very true fact of Islamic teachings and principles which we often transgress in our ego of superiority.

@Arsh,Dr Jawwad Khan

The Promised Messaiah (as) further wrote instructing people of his Jamaat:

O my friends, who have entered into a covenant with me, may God enable me and enable you to do such things as would please Him. Today, you are small in number and are being treated with contempt. You are passing through a great period of trial. According to His established scheme of things, it was decreed by God since time immemorial that efforts will be made from all directions that you should falter. You will be harassed in every way and you will have to bear with all manners of talk. Each one of those who will inflict misery upon you with his tongue or with his hand will do it in the belief that he is doing it in the service of Islam. So also you will be tried from Heaven so that you will be tried in every possible way. Hearken ye, therefore, that for you the road to victory does not lie in the direction of dry logic which you may employ or that you should return mockery for mockery or that you should return abuse for abuse. If you adopt such a course your hearts will become hardened and you will be left with nothing but mere words which God Almighty loathes and looks down upon with aversion. So do not behave in a manner whereby you should become subject to two curses-the curse of men and the curse of God. (Izala-e-Auham: Roohani Khazain, vol 3, pp 546-547).
Never think for a moment that God will let you go to waste; you are indeed a seed planted by the very hand of God in the soil. This, declares God, this seed will sprout and grow and will branch out in every direction and will turn into a mighty tree. (Al Wasiyyat: Roohani Khazain, vol 20, p 309).

So listen all you who consider yourselves to be of my community. When you truly thread the path of righteousness, only then you will be counted in heaven as my community. So perform your prayers five times a day inspired by such awe and awareness of the presence of Almighty God as if you were seeing Him with your own eyes. Also observe the days of fast sincerely for the sake of Allah, fulfilling their requirements. Each one of you who is assessable to Zakat, should pay Zakat. Similarly anyone upon whom Pilgrimage as become obligatory and has no cause for exemption must perform the Pilgrimage. Do good deeds in the best of manners and reject evil with repugnance. Remember that no deed of yours which is devoid of righteousness will be ever entertained by God. An act of goodness is only that which is rooted in the fear of God. No act in which this root remains intact will be permitted to go waste. It is inevitable that you should be tried with diverse trials of pain and misfortune as the faithful before you were tried. So remain always wary lest you should stumble. The earth can do you no harm as long as you have firm ties with heaven. If ever you come to grief, you will come to grief at your own hands rather than at the hands of your enemies. If you lose all honour on this earth, God will bestow an eternal honour upon you in Heaven. So leave Him not. You are bound to suffer pain at their hands and you will be deprived of the fulfilment of many of your aspirations. But be not heavy-hearted; God merely tries you whether you are steadfast in His cause or not. If you desire that even angels should praise you in Heaven then suffer in the path of Allah with grace and remain cheerful. Hear abuse and remain grateful and despite frustration break not your ties (with God). You are the last people raised by God so do such deeds of piety as touch the loftiest standards of excellence. (Kashti Nuh: Roohani Khazain, vol 19. P. 17).

I am not alone. That noble Lord is with me. No one could be closer to me than Him. It is only by His grace that I have been granted a loving soul, ever willing to serve His cause in the face of suffering; so that I should render with zeal and sincerity, outstanding services in the cause of the faith and carry out to victory, great (spiritual) expeditions for Islam. He has commissioned me to accomplish all this, and none can make me desist from pursuing this cause: (Ayena-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Roohani Khazain, vol 5, p 35).

Remember very well that no one shall ever come down from Heaven. All our opponents who live today shall die and none from them shall ever see Jesus son of Mary coming down from heaven; then their children that are left after them shall also die and none from among them shall ever see Jesus son of Mary coming down from heaven and then their third generation shall also die and they too shall not see the son of Mary coming down. Then God shall cause great consternation in their minds and they shall then say that the period of the dominance of the cross has also passed away and the way of life has changed completely, yet the son of Mary has not come down. Then in dismay the wise among them shall forsake this belief and three centuries from now shall not have passed when those who await the coming of Jesus son of Mary, whether they be Muslims or Christians shall relinquish all together this conception. Then shall prevail only one religion over the whole world and there shall be only one religious leader. I came only to sow the seed which has been planted by my hand. It shall now grow and flourish and there is none who can hinder it. (Tazkiratush Shahadatein, Roohani Khazain, vol 20, p 67).

This is the beautiful teaching of Ahmadiyyat which roots only from the best of teachings which are the teachings of Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) and derives from the principles of Islam!!!

Very well written once again. Good job, Tanzeel

I hope, We would see all these all laws getting abolished in the parliament. I hope, that day isn’t that far..

Whether they are muslim or not, they have every right to preach their religion according to constitution even but as Tanzeel said in the article, Mullahpoly has been high since Bhutto’s regime then the Zia ul haq Islamization had damaged Pakistan brutally.

Can anyone has the authority to snatch the right from others to profess their faith as Muslim?

Watch what Dr. Israr Ahmad explains in this regard in the light of Quran & sunnah.

Video link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gECDztl_l10

In this video you will watch from Dr. Israr’s mouth that what Prophet Muhammad (saw) has said for not accepting one to be Muslim despite even apparently his/her reciting the Kalima لا اله الا الله محمد رسول اللہ

It is strange that despite knowing very well that they cannot declare anyone as “Non-Muslim” who professes his/her faith as Islam, but when the issue of Ahmadis is raised then these Mullahs forget/overlook their own doctrines & lectures in this regard.

For more videos Exposing double standards of Mullahs please visit : http://www.real-islam.org/audio

@ZE
I damn care to read any so called prophet tho whom you love to wrote A.S. When i have Quran in my hands to understand that ONE ALLAH his saying and orders by LAST PROPHET MUHAMMAD P.B.U.H 33-40 and all other only are UMMATI and thats it. When Quran has its clear words and meaning why i should listen to person who said “ITS ME”. cut the crap now !

^^^ MASEEHA or whatever you called him. ^^^

Jesus will return as an ummati and he shall live for 40 years as ummati of Muhammad P.B.U.H and as a Khalifa. This fortune is also cover in Bible. and if you say that Ghulam Qadyani was that Maseeha so forget it he didnt proclaim shariyah at any state or village in the world. he is factually proved a fake !

@ ZE
and why do i read like an ahmadi. Who is ahmadis? who never exits at the time of Muhammad P.B.U.H.
tell me which sahaba was ahmadi? which prophet was ahmdai? which khalifa was ahmadi? I am not the part of Khatam-e-Nabovat Council but i believe it because it is clearly mentioned in Quran. There is no such thing to misinterpret of Quranic words.

ahmdaiyat is just a shaken of faith of Khatam-e-Nabovat. Do not cover it in gold wrap please.

a person who claimed to be a sub ordinate to messenger can never be a part of life of any Muslim.

Arsh,
Would you please like to go through the explanation of the verse especially the back ground given by Adab Arez in the post of September 15, 2009, 12:57 pm that when and how this verse was revealed; The verse:
[33:40] مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ اَبَآ اَحَدٍ مِّنْ رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلٰـكِنْ رَّسُوْلَ اللّٰهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيّٖنَ ؕ
وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيْمًا‏

Surah Ahzab 33 verse 40 that: “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

This back ground given above simply breaks and shatters the back bone of Mullahs that they are so bent to capitalise upon this verse and to have concoct their blasphemous verdict out of it for their vested interests as well as other various concoction so wilfully crafted basing on that verdict.

To understand the phenomena further an effort was made in another post:
“This Funny Old World”—— Posted by Adab Arez | September 15, 2009, 1:41 pm.
I hope this will clarify the illusive mythology that Muslims particularly in Pakistan are asked by misguided Mullah to believe.

Regards

Arsh,
Your post addressed to ZE of September 18, 2009, 4:08 am.

I hope next you will not indulge in some filth slinging language and like to stay within the bounds of logic and reasoning only.

@Arsh lets talk ratinale
You believe that your beloved prophet Hazzrat Issah is still alive up in heavens he will come back as UMMAITI AND KHALIFA…..First of all by bringing him back with new SHARIAT ( I.E ISLAM AND NOT CHRISTIANITY)you are becoming “Munker-e-Khatmenabuat” Congratulations, as you have accepted yourself as Kafir.
The poor prophet of Allah which was given Bible, now (as an Ummati with different duties) will have to spread Islam and kill his own people who use to call him “GOD” i.e all the christians of the world will be asked to convert to Islam….or else…….So same prophet ,,new religion,,break the seal……………what a riddiculous believe.

Why we True Muslims believe differently is that Hazrat Issah just like our Prophet P.B.U.H, passed away and burried in ground,remember the verse “Kullo nafsinn zaika-tul-maut”
IF MY PROPHET(PBUH) THE LEADER OF 124000 PROPHET HAS PASSED AWAY…WELL SO HAS HAZRAT ISSA (AS).
Thanks to Allah that the Ahmaddiya Faith is so true that we are supported by many verses of Quran and many Hadith which prove that Hazrat Issah passed away.INA-LILAHE-WA-INNA-ILAYHEY-RAJAOON.
If you like to know them ASK ME HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!
ONE LOGIC OF DEATH OF HAZRAT ISSAH::::::
WHEN OUR BELOVED PROPHET WENT TO MAIRAAJ WHO HE MET????????Hazrat MOOSA and Hazrat ISSAH. Right?? If Hazrat Issah was Alive, then Hazrat Moosa is also alive. If Hazrat Moosa has passed away, then Hazzrat Issa has passed away………………………..If you still believe that Ummati Nabi in the shape of Hazrat issah will come, then keep fooling your self.
According to Dr Qadri time for return of Massiah has already passed
“HAY-YAT-E-MASSIAH(HAZRAT ISSA) MIEN WAFFAT-E-ISLAM HAY AUR WAFAT-E-MASSIAH MAIN HAY-YAT-E-ISLAM”

In late 1800s Padris of India use to convert Muslims to Cristianity by telling muslims that Mohammmaed was Nauzbillah a false prophet as thier Prophet Isah is still Alive sitting next to Allah…….

In those days the command of Islam was given to Hazrat Mirza Sahib, to prove from Quran, hadith,and bible, and with logic that Hazrat Issa (AS) just like hazrat Mohammad PBUH

In the End i challange any non AHMADI TO PROVE THAT HAZRAT ISSAH IS STILL ALIVE I WILL LEAVE AHMADIYYAT RIGHT AFTER AND WILL BECOME CHRISTIAN,A FOLLOWER OF GREAT PROPHET WHO IS STILL ALIVE AND IS INDEED “SON OF GOD”.

CORRECTION
In those days the command of Islam was given to Hazrat Mirza Sahib, to prove from Quran, hadith,and bible, and with logic that Hazrat Issa (AS) just like hazrat Mohammad PBUH has passed away.

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and why do i read like an ahmadi. Who is ahmadis? who never exits at the time of Muhammad P.B.U.H.
tell me which sahaba was ahmadi?

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@Arsh

What about Shias, Agha Khanis, Bohris etc — were they there at the time of PBUH ? Why singling out Ahmedis ?

Jesus : Alive or Dead? – An exposition from Al-Qur’an

“And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day that I shall be raised up to life (again). Such is Jesus, the son of Mary; (this is) the saying of truth about which they dispute.” (Quran 19:33-34)
Before coming to the subject under discussion there is an important principle which needs to be discussed.
HOW DOES THE QUR’AN EXPLAIN ITS SUBJECTS ?
The Qur’an is not like an ordinary book whose chapters are bifurcated according to subject at one place, rather the Quran has its topics scattered within its Sura’s (Chapters) at many places. So if one needs to understand a topic then he has to look into all the locations within the Qur’an where that subject occurs and compile all the verses related to it. If we do this excersize, then we observe that all the verses about one particular subject explain and clarify each other. And once we organize those verses according to subject, we see what it really is that the Qur’an is saying about that topic. This manner of Qur’anic study is not my own invention but already presented in the Qur’an. The following verses identify this aspect:
“And thus do We REPEAT the Ayat and that they may say: You have read; and that We may make it clear to a people who know.” (6:105)
“And certainly We have REPEATED for men in this Quran every kind of similitude, but most men do not consent to aught but denying.” (17:89)
It is by repeating the Ayat at different places within the Quran that Allah discusses different subjects, and by gathering and analyzing those Ayat, we get the explanation of the Book of Allah, as said in the following verse:
“And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds.” (10:37)
The above verse informs us that the Quran is itself , i.e. “A detailed explanation of the Book”. Whatever may be the subject under discussion, the Quran elucidates it by it self. What is not clear in one verse is clarified through some other passage of the Qur’an itself. So it is by this method that research should be conducted on the Qur’an, and it is by this method that this topic will be presented to you.
BODILY ASCENSION OF JESUS - THE ORIGIN OF THIS BELIEF
It is popular among many that Jesus was not crucified but ‘taken up into heaven alive’ and will be coming back (in his own person) before the Day of Judgement. Almost all over the World, many people have this belief as an article of faith. Where does this belief originate from? In very clear terms it is to be found in the Bible. Here are some references:
ASCENSION OF JESUS:
“So then, after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was RECEIVED UP INTO HEAVEN,AND SAT ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.” - MARK 16:19
“And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, AND CARRIED UPINTO HEAVEN.” - LUKE 24:51
The above verses from the Christian Bible leave no ambiguity in demonstrating that the Acsension of Jesus is Christian idea. Further more the Jews also have the concept of ‘bodily acsension into heaven regarding “Elijah”, as stated in the Jewish scriptures:
“And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; AND ELIJAH WENT UP BY A WHIRLWIND INTO HEAVEN.” - KINGS 2:11
“And Enoch walked with God; and he was not; FOR GOD TOOK HIM.” - GENESIS 5:24
Apart from these many other faiths also have the concept of a coming ‘Saviour’ and Ascensions in body. As we have seen that this faith is that of the Jews and the Christians, now let us proceed to see as to what does Al-Qur’an say about this matter. It should be kept in mind that to be a Muslim one has to believe in and agree with what the Qur’an is saying. Even the slightest disagreement with the Qur’an invalidates the claim to be a Muslim. (See 41:26)
DEPARTURE OF JESUS FROM THIS WORLD- A QURANIC PERSPECTIVE
When Jesus (p) propagated the message of Allah, and invited people to obey the laws of Allah alone, the Religious leaders and Priests felt threatened, as in a Social order where subservience and obedience is only for Allah’s Laws, there is no room left for the Clergy and they in turn showed severe opposition to the mission of Jesus:
“But when Isa perceived UNBELIEF on their part, he said Who will be my helpers in Allah’s way? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah: We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones .” (3:52)
Now the unbelievers in Jesus’ message plotted to stop the message of Allah from gaining ground, so they plotted against the person of Jesus.
“And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.” (3:54)
But Jesus himself stated that the unbelievers would not be able to kill him but instead his death would be in peace:
“And PEACE IS ON ME on the day I was born, and on the DAY THAT I DIE, and on the day I shall be raised up to life (again).” (19:33)
Allah himself assured Jesus that the unbelievers will not kill him, instead it is Allah who will complete his period of life and cause him to die, as said in the following verse:
“Lo ! God said: `O Jesus! Verily I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto me, and cleanse thee of those who are bent on denying the truth;and I shall place those who follow thee above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the day of resurrection. In the end unto Me you all must return, and I shall judge between you with regard to all on which you were wont to differ.” (3:55) Muhammed Asad’s translation.
The expression in arabic comes from the root word which carries the meaning of ‘Completing something or some task to such an extent that nothing else is left out’. In the same manner means ‘Death’, as in Death the life term of a person is fully completed. Following are some references from Standard Arabic dictionaries which tell us about the meaning of the word .
‘VAFFAT’ = “Death”, “Decease” (An advanced Learners Arabic-English Dictionary by H. Anthony Salmone pp1222)
‘VAFFAT’ = “Death”, “Demise”, “Decease” (Al Mawrid Arabic-English Dictionary pp 1240)
‘TUVAFA’ = “To take the life of anyone” (A Dictionary & Glossary of the Koran by J. Penrice pp 161)
‘TUUFFA’ = “To die”, “Expire”, “Pass away”, “Give up the ghost”, “Breath ones last”, “Part ones life” (Al Mawrid Arabic-English Dictionary pp 391)
In English to Arabic dictionaries ie reverse the meaning of ‘vaffat’ is again confirmed;
“DEATH” = ‘vaffat’ (Al Manar English-Arabic Dictionary pp 157)
“DEATH” = ‘vaffat’ (Al Asri English-Arabic Dictionary pp 193)
“DEMISE” = ‘vaffat’ (Al Mawrid English-Arabic Dictionary pp 259)
“DEATH” = ‘vaffat’ (Al Mawrid Eng Arabic Dictionary pp 251)
And much more.
However apart from General Arabic works of Reference, this word has also been used in the sense which conveys the meaning of death or demise or completion of one’s life term in the Qur’an it self. Where ever the word “TUVAFA” or “MUTE VA FEEKA” is used in Al-Quran where Allah or His Angle is one who is doing TAVAFA and human beings are one whose TAVAFA is being done it always means the “seperation of soul from the body. although, it may be partial and temporary (i.e. at the time of sleep) or it may be complete and permanent (i.e. at the time of death)” as Allah says:
It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death: and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death He keeps back (from returning to life) but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect. Sura Az-Zumar verse 42. (Translation by A. Yousaf Ali).
Here Allah clearly says that there are only two ways in which He does the “Tuvafa” of human being but regret for those who attributes a third type of “Tavafa” (i.e. bodily ascension) to Allah (In the case of Jesus / Essa only) without fear of Allah.
The following verses are very clear in ascertaining the meaning of “Vaffa”, “Tuvafa”, “Mutavafa” etc in the Qur’an itself.
Verses of Holy Quran where Allah (or His angle) does “Tuvafa” and human being is one whose “Tuvafa” is done means seperation of soul from body (i.e. death):
“Our Lord! surely we have heard a preacher calling to the faith, saying: Believe in your Lord, so we did believe; Our Lord! forgive us therefore our faults, and cover our evil deeds and MAKE US DIE with the righteous.” (3:193)
“And you do not take revenge on us except because we have believed in the communications of our Lord when they came to us! Our Lord: Pour out upon us patience and CAUSE US TO DIE in submission.” (7:126)
“My Lord! Thou hast given me of the kingdom and taught me of the interpretation of sayings: Originator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my guardian in this world and the hereafter; MAKE ME DIE A MUSLIM and join me with the good.” (12:101)
“But how will it be when the angels CAUSE THEM TO DIE smiting their backs.” (47:27)
“And Allah has created you, then He CAUSES YOU TO DIE , and of you is he who is brought back to the worst part of life, so that after having knowledge he does not know anything; surely Allah is Knowing, Powerful.” (16:70)
“O people! if you are in doubt about the raising, then surely We created you from dust, then from a small seed, then from a clot, then from a lump of flesh, complete in make and incomplete, that We may make clear to you; and We cause what We please to stay in the wombs till an appointed time, then We bring you forth as babies, then that you may attain your maturity; and of you is he who is CAUSED TO DIE , and of you is he who is brought back to the worst part of life..” (22:5)
“Say: The angel of death who is given charge of you shall CAUSE YOU TO DIE , then to your Lord you shall be brought back.” (32:11)
The above verses are very distinct and clear in informing us the meaning of ‘Yutavafa’. Now let us again see the verse which discusses about Allah’s ‘Vaffat’ to Jesus (p).
Lo ! God said: `O Jesus! Verily I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto me, and cleanse thee of those who are bent on denying the truth; and I shall place those who follow thee above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the day of resurrection. In the end unto Me you all must return, and I shall judge between you with regard to alon which you were wont to differ. (3:55) Muhammed Asad’s translation.
In above Allah clearly informs that He will complete Jesus’ life on earth, and this is confirmed again, namely that Jesus had to die a natural death, when we are reminded through Jesus himself stating on the Last Day:
“I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst CAUSE ME TO DIE , Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things” (5:117 M. H. Shakir)
In above verse Jesus’ statement that :
“..when Thou didst cause me to die.. ”
Is confirming what Allah had earlier said to him in 3:55:
“..Verily I shall cause thee to die… ”
In other words Jesus was neither crucified nor taken up into heaven but Allah caused him to die a natural death, i.e. fully completed his life span. Then in the above mentioned verse Jesus is saying:
“..and I was a witness of them AS LONG AS I WAS AMONG THEM.. ..”
And further he says;
“…but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them.. .”
Here Jesus clearly mentions two periods, one in which he dwelt among his people, and the other in which Allah caused him to die. There is no other period mentioned here which informs of a stage of being taken up and stationed in heaven temporarily. Furthermore in 19:31 he says:
“And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be and hath enjoined on me Prayer (Salat) and Charity (Zakat)as long as I live.” (19:31)
In above verse the words “.. as long as I live..” bear some importance. Jesus is to establish Salat and give Zakat AS LONG AS HE LIVES. Now if we accept that Jesus is taken up into heaven alive, then how is he performing these activities up there? He mentions that Allah has enjoined Salat and Zakat on him AS LONG AS HE LIVES . Now some one can say that in heaven he may be performing Salat. But what about Zakat? Are there any Orphans and Unfortunate persons in heaven as well to whom Jesus is paying Zakat? Does God have any poor people in heaven too? Giving Zakat in heaven would say that in heaven there are poor people! Does this make any sense?!
The above verse is very clear in informing that as long as Jesus lived on this earth, he performed these activities, i.e. Salat and Zakat, and Allah caused him to die a natural death. Now we come to the other issue which creates confusion for people, that is, Jesus being raised unto God.
ALLAH RAISED JESUS TO HIMSELF - WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ?
The opponents of Jesus (p) wanted to depict that Jesus was false in his position as a Messenger of God, and wanted to have him crucified. Crucifixion would mean that Jesus was a (Allah forbid us) cursed person and his death was a cursed death. As crucifixion is mentioned in Jewish law (Old testament) as a punishment for blasphemy, and the crucified person is considered cursed and degraded in God’s law (According to the Jews). Their Book says:
“His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for inheritence.” - DEUTERONOMY 21:23
In the New Testament it is also said that Jesus (p) died an accursed death (Astaghfirullah) :
“Christ hath redeemed us, from the CURSE of the law, being made a CURSE for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE.” - GALATIANS 3:13
It is evident from above that the unbelievers want to show the world that Jesus being hanged on the cross died a cursed death, and this boast of theirs is also mentioned in the Qur’an;
“That they said (in boast) We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of God..” (4:157)
But Allah confirmed in the Qur’an that Jesus did not live a cursed life nor died a cursed death but on the contrary he enjoys an exalted and honourable status from Allah. This is what is said in 3:55, that: “..O Jesus! Verily I shall cause thee to die, and shall EXALT thee unto me..”
The word in above Ayah is which means elevate you or exalt you. The word literally means ‘to raise or elevate’, but in the Qur’an it has been used in many verses to convey the meaning of ‘Raising one’s ranks or status in the sight of Allah’, and not physical raising up. Some verses are produced here to show that the meaning of is to raise in ranks and exalt someone:
“It is He Who hath made you (His) agents inheritors of the earth: He hath RAISED you in ranks some above others: that He may try you in the gifts He hath given you: for thy Lord is quick in punishment: yet He is indeed Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.” (6:165)
“And RAISED high the esteem (in which) thou (art held)?” (94:4)
Above verse mentioned of raising with degrees or . But in following verses only raising alone is used to convey the meaning of elevation of ranks and exaltation.
Also mention in the Book the case of Idris:
“He was a man of truth (and sincerity) (and) a prophet:” 19:57
“And We RAISED HIM to a lofty station.” (19:56)
In above Nabi Idris (p) is being ‘raised’ to a i.e. a lofty station. This is not that Allah placed him up on a high mountain or sky scraper, but that his rank and status near Allah is exalted and he is elevated in that aspect. Finally the following verse clearly demonstrates that for ‘raising’ ones rank or status the word alone is used.
“And if We had pleased, We would certainly have EXALTED him thereby; but he clung to the earth and followed his low desire, so his parable is as the parable of the dog; if you attack him he lolls out his tongue; and if you leave him alone he lolls out his tongue; this is the parable of the people who reject Our communications; therefore relate the narrative that they may reflect.” (7:176)
It is this exaltation which is mentioned in 7:176 that Allah is mentioning about Jesus in 3:55 and 4:158. The opponents of Jesus want to convey to the World that as Jesus is crucified he has died a cursed death, but Allah refutes this allegation and confirms that he was neither killed nor crucified:
“That they said (in boast) We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of God ;- but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) know ledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not.” (4:157)
And Allah further negates their insinuation that Jesus had a cursed personality, when Allah himself confirms that his status and rank is not that of a cursed person but of an Exalted and elevated status:
“Nay God raised him to Himself; and God is Exalted in Power Wise.” (4:158)
The exalted position of Jesus was also confirmed earlier when he was described as;
“Behold! the angels said: ‘O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.’” (3:45)
Now see the verse again which talks about Jesus’ exaltation and see the clear meaning.
“Lo! God said:`O Jesus! Verily I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto me..” (3:55)
This exaltation of Jesus or raising of his status by Allah is also made clear in another verse where Allah himself affirms:
“Those apostles We endowed with gifts some above others: To one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit..” (2:253)
Now if we were to accept the understanding that Jesus was physically raised ‘to Allah’ then this would mean that Allah is sitting someplace in heaven and one needs to travel up to him. Such an idea about God is un Quranic and is an invention of Jewish and Christian theology, where they have a concept of ‘Holy father in heaven’. But the Qur’an on the other hands informs us clearly that Allah (God) is not sitting someplace high up in heaven but:
“..He is with you wherever you are..” (57:4)
“..Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more BUT HE IS WITH THEM WHERESOEVER THEY ARE..” (58:7)
“..We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.” (50:16)
“And We are nearer to it( the human soul) than you, BUT YOU DO NOT SEE.” (56:85)
The above verses clearly negate the concept of a ‘Father (or God situated) in Heaven’ or God confined to a space, so that to reach him you need to travel up into heaven. This concept that God is confined in heaven is a Jewish and Christian idea, clearly mentioned at many places in the Bible. But the Qu’ran does not uphold this view and on the contrary clearly negates it. God is not restricted to time and space but His presence is everywhere, all the time but we cannot see or comprehend it. So again the idea of God stationed someplace in heaven and Jesus ascending unto Him is not verified by the Qur’an.
Now many people also give the argument that when Allah talks about Jesus being raised to Him, then it says:
“..Verily I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee UNTO ME..” (3:55)
In this verse the words they claim, denotes that, since Allah says he will raise Jesus TO HIMSELF or ‘Unto me’ ( in Arabic) then this suggests that Jesus was taken to heaven as it says he was raised ‘towards’ Allah, and already they are under the influence of the idea that God is stationed some place in heaven, a concept which the Qur’an most certainly negates.
But again if we analyse this through many other places in the Quran we clearly see that when Allah says about calling or bringing something closer to himself, doesnt mean physically bringing that object near Him. The arabic preposition used in 3:55 and the word used in 4:158 convey the meaning of Allah raising Jesus towards Him. Now Let us analyse from other Ayat what does and i.e. getting near or going to Allah mean?
Following verses describe this namely or has not been used for Jesus (p) alone but also for other objects:
“Have you not considered (the work of) your Lord, how He extends the shade? And if He had pleased He would certainly have made it stationary; then We have made the sun an indication of it. Then We take it to Ourselves, taking little by little.” (25:45-46)
Above verse informs that Allah takes the Sun to His self Does this mean that the Sun goes to visit Allah on the seventh heaven or someplace like that?
Again this going or calling to Allah has been mentioned not in a physical aspect but a metaphorical one. Nabi Lut (p) informs:
“And Lut believed in Him, and he said: I am fleeing to my Lord, surely He is the Mighty, the Wise.” (29:26)
Lut’s hijrat (migration) to Allah was not to the seventh heaven, but to such an environment where he can obey and implement the commands of Allah. This is again confirmed through Ibrahim (p):
“He said: ‘I will go to my Lord! He will surely guide me!” (37:99)
In the above verse Ibrahim did not go to the heavens to meet His Sustainer, but abandoned the environment of Shirk and went to such an environemt where he could establish the ‘Deen’ of Allah. This is metaphorically described in above verse as or going to my Sustainer. And not physically going up into heaven or someplace like that. The above verses very clearly describe what is meant by or . Now keep the above usage of the verses and one more time look at the verses where Allah talks about His raising Jesus to himself.
“Nay God raised him to Himself, and God is Exalted in Power Wise.” (4:158)
In above Allah nullifies the claim of opponents of Jesus that he was cursed being crucified on the cross, but confirms that his status is honoured and exalted. This is what is meant by and what was previously confirmed by Allah in 3:55:
The Qur’an negates the crucifixion of Jesus, and informs that he did not have a cursed life or death. The punishment of crucifixion occurs in the Qur’an as well for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger. (See 5:33)
To sum it up again, Allah is not confined to a place or station up in the heavens. We have seen verses negating this idea. Allah caused Jesus to die a natural death. The word has been seen at many places in the Quran to mean death, and this has also been confirmed by dictionaries. Then and have been confirmed through other verses where these words occur and we have seen what meaning they convey through the Quran itself.
Note: Translations of all the above Quranic Verses are taken from Non-Ahmadi Scholars.

In the honour of that Khatumun Nabiyeen; the one who excels all others.

For a Deep immensely deep rhythm, love and a Trans.

Please find here with a naat written while in deep love of Rassol e karim (saw) by Hazrat Imam Zianul Abideen. It has beautifully been sung by most revered singer of Saraiki —Mian SherYar in his enchanting voice.

Regards

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Qaseeda in PRAISE of Hazrat Khatum-un-Nabeen (SA)
Written in Arabic by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as)
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@O J Deen

Mashallah that was an excellent exposition.I hope further discussions on this topic will become much clearer inshallah to those who read it read further on.

@Arsh

“@ZE
I damn care to read any so called prophet tho whom you love to wrote A.S. When i have Quran in my hands to understand that ONE ALLAH his saying and orders by LAST PROPHET MUHAMMAD P.B.U.H 33-40 and all other only are UMMATI and thats it. When Quran has its clear words and meaning why i should listen to person who said “ITS ME”. cut the crap now !”

Arsh, first tell me about your earlier doubt/(allegations from false websites)-Are you convinced of its sordid dishonest false propaganda? Its the topic on which you were applauding your friend Dr Jawwad Khan and the two of you were complimenting and saluting each other for the work you did on preventing “innocent minds” from getting “misguided” by ahmadiyyat through posting of stuff from some unscrupulous websites against ahmadiyyat which falsely professed that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) nauzbillah claimed superiority over Huzoor-e-karim(saw)—did you read the original quotes I wrote above? Are you convinced that this was a blatant lie?? The response above was for this GREATEST lie people speak about ahmadis and Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as). If you have read my last few posts above where I quoted from Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s(as) books and still think otherwise, let me tell you, what I have quoted above is the very least bit of his extensive writings full of praise, highest in regard and honour for Huzoor(saw) which no one till now has done with such strong words and with deep love for Huzoor (saw). Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s(as) purpose of life WAS and the purpose of ahmadiyyat IS nothing BUT to revive the Islam that Huzoor (saw) actually taught his people. Having the Quran in your hand, knowing how to read Arabic, Urdu or English or any translation you follow, is not enough to claim that you have understood the Quran. Remember Allah has said “its a book for the muttaqi” and its a book full of knowledge and wisdom and direction and commandments for the whole of mankind. Surah Al Waqi’ah states, ‘That this is indeed a noble Qur’an, In a well-preserved Book, Which none shall touch except those who are purified.’ (56:78-80). Other than the apparent meaning of being in a clean physical condition to read it, it also has a deeper requirement, think over it!! Surah Al Hashr, the translation of which reads: ‘If We had sent down this Qur’an on a mountain, thou wouldst certainly have seen it humbled and rent asunder for fear of Allah. And these are similitudes that We set forth for mankind that they may reflect.’ (59:22). Other than the apparent meaning again, there is a deeper meaning to it; if a huge mountain can crumble down in humbleness then what is a human and human ego in front of it?? An arrogant person, even if he claims to, can never understand the Quran please remember that. Allah says He has made The Quran easy for us to understand but he has also laid out the pre-requisites for it. Please think over. Anyways, I did not understand your last sentence “why i should listen to person who said “ITS ME”.” I don’t know what you meant by it but I would like to know if you need more clarification on the above topic or whether you accept that the allegations quoted from the websites are false.
And Arsh, one more thing, when someone is saying something in the name of Allah, calling Allah(swt) to witness, before getting judgemental about such a person, I think it is the duty of a momineen to listen first and examine the claim thoroughly and not rely on “hear say”. When Allah says the main purpose of creation of mankind is not for anything else but only and only for His ibaadat, then imagine what should be the importance we should give to our religious states and matters concerning it. Remember, nobody can lie to people in the name of Allah saying he is a prophet from God and escape God’s punishment because about such a person it is said clearly in the Quran that Allah will Himself destroy such a person such that the world can witness.

@ Arsh
“^^^ MASEEHA or whatever you called him. ^^^”

Well, I called him Masih Maud(as) which means “The Promised Messaiah”. Clear? And I call him that because I believe he is the Promised Masih which Huzoor(saw) prophesied but since you do not believe still you can just call his name, no issues!!

“Jesus will return as an ummati and he shall live for 40 years as ummati of Muhammad P.B.U.H and as a Khalifa. This fortune is also cover in Bible. and if you say that Ghulam Qadyani was that Maseeha so forget it he didnt proclaim shariyah at any state or village in the world. he is factually proved a fake !”

After the first allegation which you are apparently supporting of Masih Maud(as) (nauzbillah) claiming superiority over Huzoor (saw) your next few doubts as I gather are as follows:
1.I understand that you mean to say: Hazrat Isa (as) will return as UMMATI, and you also take the support of Bible for it, (when Quran is more than sufficient for any proof, but anyways, we can also examine from the bible if you say so), but again I did not quite understand your last sentence, “and if you say that Ghulam Qadyani was that Maseeha so forget it he didnt proclaim shariyah at any state or village in the world. he is factually proved a fake !”
So, do you mean to say the ahmadis in Pakistan are being tortured for nothing at all?? Are they not being tortured because they read the Kalimah of Allah and Huzoor (saw) which Huzoor (saw) directed every muslim to read? Are they not being arrested for greeting another person with the words of “assalamoalaikum” as per the traditions of Huzoor (saw)? Are they not being tortured for building mosques and worshipping Allah in them as commanded in the Quran and taught to us by Huzoor (saw)? Are they not being punished for following the commandments of Holy Quran and acting upon it? If this is what you meant by your last sentence, you have proved yourself “factually” wrong by your own statement as this whole article by Tanzeel and the following discussions started on with rubbing off of the Kalimah from ahmadi mosques and stuff..

“@ ZE
and why do i read like an ahmadi. Who is ahmadis? who never exits at the time of Muhammad P.B.U.H.
tell me which sahaba was ahmadi? which prophet was ahmdai? which khalifa was ahmadi? I am not the part of Khatam-e-Nabovat Council but i believe it because it is clearly mentioned in Quran. There is no such thing to misinterpret of Quranic words.”

2. I understand that you mean to say: There was no thing such as ahmadis during the time of Huzoor(saw) and his sahabas and during the time of his immediate Khalifas but there were only muslims…and because of that even today there should be only muslims in Islam and nothing other than muslims of Islam.Right?
Very true Arsh..a very good observation, we can inshallah examine this further in some detail. I would just like to add a quick important note here though, as many non-ahmadis think, the name “ahmadis” we call ourselves is not because the Promised Messaih’s(as) name ends with Ahmad BUT the other name of our Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) as mentioned in The Quran is “Ahmad” and we are his followers. This name is derived from that and is not after the common name of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) please.
And yeah Arsh, I never asked you to read anything like ahmadis anywhere…you call yourself a muslim, so read as a muslim pure and sincere at heart whatever you want to read and inshallah Allah will guide you if it is any good material that you are reading and Allah will also prevent you from getting misguided if it is any wrong stuff you are reading and that’s a guarantee if you read with your trust in Allah.

3. I understand that you mean to say: You believe that ahmadis “do not believe in Khatme nabuvat” even though it is clearly mentioned in the Quran.

“a person who claimed to be a sub ordinate to messenger can never be a part of life of any Muslim.”
4. I understand that you mean to say: You say that a subordinate to a messenger (I think you mean here Huzoor (saw) is outside the pale of Islam.

Well, sounds like your own verdict? But we can also discuss this further too inshallah in the light of Quran and Ahadees once again. Some of your doubts have actually been cleared in discussions above by many others who have posted, I’m not sure if you have read them but inshallah we can discuss all of this once again as a fresh discussion.
So, here are all the issues you have with ahmadiyyat that I have gathered so far from your recent posts. Inshallah I’m sure we can discuss all of it and I would very much love to do it but I want to be clear about your intentions of reading the posts that follow and just not a question for every explanation without drawing any conclusions but yet again coming up with the next allegation. So, first tell me whether the first allegation you supported of Hazrat Masih Maud (as) nauzbillah claiming superiority over Huzoor(saw) is cleared or not?? If inshallah this is cleared we can proceed further or we can stop right here and spend more time on this very topic and justly decide who is right and who is lying.

@ze
Very well put forward the comments and artical.

I hope Mr. ARSH and all people try to atleast make an effort to read it with open mind and pray to ALLAH to grant all of us the right guidance.

@ Tanzeel

I really appreciate for your efforts for writing this article and I pray for you for ur efforts.
Jazakallah.

@The Non Ahmaid World
Couple of days ago the President of IRAN, on the stage of United Nation prayed to Allah to bless this world with IMAM MAHDI as the world needs peace and love………………………………..SO my friends….the only difference betwwen Ahmadis and other muslims is that WE BELIEVE THAT MAHDI OF THIS TIME HAS ALREADY CAME AND MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD OF QADIAN INDIA WAS THE MAHDI.
NO DOUBT THE ONLY MUSLIM JAMAAT IN THIS WORLD WHICH HAS TRIED TO BRING PEACE ON EARTH IS AHMADIYYA MUSLIM JAMAAT.
” love for all hatered for none” is our motto and slogen!!!!!
May Allah enable all Muslims to open thier hearts to truth, Ameen.

Tanzeel may Allah reward you for your effort. My request to Dr. Jawad, ersh, ZE et.al. is to consider the Darood and ponder over its meanings particularly second part. Which are the blessings on Abraham (AS) you are asking for our beloved Prophet(SAWS)? If this prayer was not to be heard why we were asked to make it part of every prayer? The greatest blessing of Allah upon Abraham (AS)has been prophethood in his progeny.
2;Some one in the posts said books of Jammat Ahmadiyya are not available. Please note almost all books are available at Alislam.org. Dr. Jawad the quotes you have cited in your post please verify them at the above site you will be surprised.